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To: 4ConservativeJustices
Nonsense. Confederates were barred from serving in political office - unless the federal congress removed the disability. Barring any evidence that multitudes of former politicians were recipients of such acts, it couldn't have been ex-confederates drafting such legislation. Additionally, the governments were military, and elections/constitutions were approved by the President and Congress (devoid of southern representatives).

Again, you are deliberately avoiding fact and misstating the circumstances. The Black Codes were in place in every southern state by the fall of 1865, long before the 14th Amendment was ratified or Reconstruction was imposed. Jim Crow laws were enacted almost as soon as reconstruction ended. Section 3 of that Amendment only prevented those who had held federal or state office prior to the rebellion and who had sworn to uphold the Constitution as a part of that office from holding office again without approval of Congress. Approval that was apparently freely granted. So your claim that 'it was them Yankees what done it' is ridiculous.

It wasn't a Southern thing.

It most certainly was. Before the rebellion...during the rebellion...and after the rebellion as well.

44 posted on 03/22/2004 7:30:07 AM PST by Non-Sequitur (Jefferson Davis - the first 'selected, not elected' president.)
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To: Non-Sequitur
Again, you are deliberately avoiding fact and misstating the circumstances. The Black Codes were in place in every southern state by the fall of 1865, long before the 14th Amendment was ratified or Reconstruction was imposed.

Just as the Northern states were rife with their own Black Codes, long before 1865.

Jim Crow laws were enacted almost as soon as reconstruction ended.

Which ended when, and what politicians were in office? In the intervening period while ex-confederates could serve, what multitude of Jim Crow laws were passed?

Section 3 of that Amendment only prevented those who had held federal or state office prior to the rebellion and who had sworn to uphold the Constitution as a part of that office from holding office again without approval of Congress.

The Constitution prohibited ex post facto laws, and also prohibited "Bills of Attainder" - no trials were held to convict anyone of the punishment imposed. The Supreme Court agreed in Cummings v. Missouri, 4 Wall. (71 US) 277 (1867) and in Ex Parte Garland, 4 Wall. (71 US) 333 (1867). If it was illegal/unconstitutional in 1867, it certainly was after that.

Approval that was apparently freely granted. So your claim that 'it was them Yankees what done it' is ridiculous.

Nonsense. Point to the legislation removing the prohibition from masses of Confederate legislators. Post the proof of your assertion.

It most certainly was. Before the rebellion...during the rebellion...and after the rebellion as well.

Before - both North & South had Black Laws. During ditto. After - the south was ruled by Union military, carpetbaggers and scalawags - ex-Confederates were disbarred from office.

It was now a Yankee thing.

45 posted on 03/22/2004 8:04:12 AM PST by 4CJ (||) OUR sins put Him on that cross - HIS love for us kept Him there. (||)
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