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Remember the Alamo
The Vanguard ^ | March 12, 2004 | Rod D. Martin

Posted on 03/15/2004 4:01:23 AM PST by aardvark1

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To: Atlantic Friend
Well this election will tell a lot. The choice is pretty stark. I'm amazed that as many people support Kerry as do. I can understand those who are frustrated with Bush but there is no excuse for Kerry. If he wins it means that a majority of the citizens of a majority of the states don't get it.

Succession seems more and more like a good idea. I don't care about forcing people in Boston to own guns, not marry homosexuals, or stop taxing themselves into poverty. They however, don't show reciprocal courtesy for their betters in the West. By force of numbers they insist on dominating the entire USA, and driving their sick agendas into our very bathrooms. (2 gallon toilets).

Before we get to all out Civil War 2 I sure hope we try to seperate ourselves and run a few states correctly. The Free State Project and it's offshoots is the way to go, in my opinion.

Jeff's books are awesome. I was one of the first to review them on Amazon. A great read. Jeff's book are a wake up call to the USA not to be complacent about the very real threats that China and the Moslem world pose to the USA. Not every war will be as complete a victory as teh Battle for Bhagdad was, history tells us this.

Travi's book kicks butt too! Travis postulates the dark methods the gun-grabbers will go to in the drive to accomplish their nefarious goals. Then he shows what a small group resisting can do and the effects it could have.

Of course Unintended Consequences is one of the first of the novels to deal with some of these questions and is still a fascinating read.

Boston T. Party's "Molon Labe" is the newest book to look at the country in transition. He describes in a lot of detail the methods used by an small committed group of activists to free the State of Wyoming. Part political primer, part novel it's a fun read.

And when done with those we all need to go back and re-read the Declaration of Independence and the U.S. Constitution.

61 posted on 03/17/2004 7:48:27 AM PST by Jack Black
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To: risk
Thanks for saying that about EFAD.


62 posted on 03/17/2004 9:34:53 AM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Jeff Head
At least they won't be able to say we didn't try to warn them.
63 posted on 03/17/2004 9:46:41 AM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: clamper1797
and some of them are elected to political office, usually by the sheeples....
64 posted on 03/17/2004 10:51:01 AM PST by dixierat (Just a white boy lookin' for a place to do my thing....(Merle Haggard))
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To: dixierat
That Day is coming. Perhaps sooner than we expect.
65 posted on 03/17/2004 2:18:52 PM PST by Noumenon (This tagline has been outsourced to Bangalore)
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To: risk
Keep your powder dry, but vote Republican. And lobby any polititican who will listen.

The value and the impact of an individual vote is all but nil, given the near-miss in the last election. You can be sure that the 'Rats will have a better recipe for cooking the books this time around.

Politicians listen to nothing save that which will get them reelected. Politicans on both sides of the aisle routinely violate their oath of office, and they do so with impunity; they are in fact rewarded for it. Politicans will continue to violate their oath of office until the cost of doing so becomes more than they are willing to bear.

Who dares follow that last statement to its logical conclusion?

66 posted on 03/17/2004 2:26:00 PM PST by Noumenon (This tagline has been outsourced to Bangalore)
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To: ought-six
"The readiness is all."
Hamlet, Shakespeare
67 posted on 03/17/2004 2:27:23 PM PST by Noumenon (This tagline has been outsourced to Bangalore)
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To: archy
"A dirty civil war is not in the interest of anyone, it would be a national tragedy."

Guaranteed. The sad question, however, is whether such a dreadful prospect may be preferable to the alternative.

History is all too clear in that regard. It teaches us that there are things far worse than death.

68 posted on 03/17/2004 2:34:40 PM PST by Noumenon (This tagline has been outsourced to Bangalore)
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To: risk
In 2002, we visited San Antonio to pick up the newest family member (our Newfoundland puppy) and stopped at the Alamo. While my wife stayed in the van with the new kid so she wouldn't get scared and to start the bonding process, I wandered around the battle site. I was touched beyond belief. I stood on the spot where Davy Crockett was said to have fallen and my heart just hammered. I grew coldly furious at the talk I had heard that the Alamo defenders had quietly fled into the night, only to be caught later by the Mexicans and executed. That crap is being quietly engendered by the Mexicans. I tried to imagine what it must have felt like to be a defender and yes, I (to a degree) wished I had been present for the making of history. Those men made a difference! Not all of us can say that.
69 posted on 03/17/2004 2:51:24 PM PST by ExSoldier (When the going gets tough, the tough go cyclic.)
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To: Badray
Alas, I probably didn't tell the story as elegantly as it deserved but if you have a while you might want to review this discussion from last year:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/965483/posts

Some very interesting stories there, including many alternatives, but I think it's fair to say that they are all details around the fringes of the BIG story.

Also great info from others on Goliad (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/965483/posts#9), and a great piece from mtbopfuyn (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/965483/posts#28) that I always enjoy reading.

And if it gets you like it gets me I'm honored to give you honorary Texan status.
70 posted on 03/17/2004 3:12:09 PM PST by Proud_texan
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To: ExSoldier
You and me brother. I go there I gotta take a knee.

As for that fled in the night bunk there is no act of courage that a coward won't seek to discredit.
71 posted on 03/17/2004 3:14:55 PM PST by Proud_texan
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To: aardvark1
We have squandered their sacrifice, they may as well have gone fishing instead of defending the Alamo. The first way we squandered their sacrifice was to give up our independence to become a state, the second way everyone can see every day.
72 posted on 03/17/2004 3:16:45 PM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: SoCal Pubbie; Travis McGee
Didn't Houston want the defenders to abandon the Alamo because he knew it wasn't really worth defending, but they stayed anyway?

Correct. Some Monday-morning quarterbacks have opined that the Alamo defenders might have bought even more time by abandoning the structure, breaking into small groups, and raiding Santa Ana's extended supply lines, hitting and running until Texian reinforcements could be assembled and arrive. However....

Houston's orders had been that: "I have ordered the fortifications in the town of Bexar to be demolished, and, if you should think well of it, I will remove all the cannon and other munitions of war to Gonzales and Copano, blow up the Alamo and abandon the place, as it will be impossible to keep up the Station with volunteers, the sooner I can be authorized the better it will be for the country ....

But Travis was there, and thought otherwise. And though his experience with engineering and fortification was not great, [cavalry officer] the fact that Crockett, Bowie [who had arrived on Jan. 19th] thought the fortification worth defending, and on February 2 Bowie wrote Smith that he and Neill had resolved to "die in these ditches" before they would surrender the post.

On February 3, Travis and his cavalry contingent reached the Alamo with 30 mounted volunteers, and he agreed that the position was worth defending, which he began to describe as the "key to Texas." About February 8, David Crockett arrived with a group of American volunteers, and they had come expecting to fight.

Two main roads led into Texas from the Mexican interior. The Old San Antonio Road a camino real crossed the Rio Grande at Paso de Francia (the San Antonio Crossing) and wound northeastward through San Antonio de Béxar, Bastrop, Nacogdoches, San Augustine, and across the Sabine River into Louisiana. Two forts blocked these approaches into Texas: Presidio La Bahía (Nuestra Señora de Loreto Presidio) at Goliad and the Alamo at San Antonio. Each installation functioned as a frontier picket guard, ready to alert the Texas settlements of an enemy advance. The defenders, Bowie in charge of the volunteers and Travis the Regulars, did not believe that Santa Anna could reach Bexar until March 15. His arrival on February 23 convinced them otherwise.

On March 1, thirty-two troops attached to Lt. George C. Kimbell's Gonzales ranging company made their way through the enemy cordon and into the Alamo. Travis was grateful for any reinforcements, but knew he needed more. On March 3 he reported to the convention at Washington-on-the-Brazos that he had lost faith in Colonel Fannin. "I look to the colonies alone for aid; unless it arrives soon, I shall have to fight the enemy on his own terms." He grew increasingly bitter that his fellow Texans seemed deaf to his appeals. In a letter to a friend, Travis revealed his frustration: "If my countrymen do not rally to my relief, I am determined to perish in the defense of this place, and my bones shall reproach my country for her neglect."

On March 5, day twelve of the siege, Santa Anna announced an assault for the following day. This sudden declaration stunned his officers. The enemy's walls were crumbling. No Texan relief column had appeared. When the provisions ran out, surrender would remain the rebels' only option. There was simply no valid military justification for the costly attack on a stronghold bristling with cannons. But ignoring these reasonable objections, Santa Anna stubbornly insisted on storming the Alamo. Around 5:00 A.M. on Sunday, March 6, he hurled his columns at the battered walls from four directions. Texan gunners stood by their artillery. As about 1,800 assault troops advanced into range, canister ripped through their ranks. Staggered by the concentrated cannon and rifle fire, the Mexican soldiers halted, reformed, and drove forward. Soon they were past the defensive perimeter. Travis, among the first to die, fell on the north bastion. Abandoning the walls, defenders withdrew to the dim rooms of the Long Barracks. There some of the bloodiest hand-to-hand fighting occurred. Bowie, too ravaged by illness to rise from his bed, found no pity. The chapel fell last. By dawn the Centralists had carried the works. The assault had lasted no more than ninety minutes. As many as seven defenders survived the battle, but Santa Anna ordered their summary execution. Many historians count Crockett as a member of that hapless contingent, an assertion that still provokes debate in some circles. By eight o'clock every Alamo fighting man lay dead. Currently, 189 defenders appear on the official list, but ongoing research may increase the final tally to as many as 257. It's very likely that many of those were Mexicans who could hide among the residents of San Antonio de Bexar or slip in with Santa Ana's troops.

To the People of Texas & all Americans in the World-- Fellow Citizens and Compatriots--

I am besieged by a thousand or more of the Mexicans under Santa Anna -- I have sustained a continual Bombardment & cannonade for 24 hours & have not lost a man -- The enemy has demanded a surrender at discretion, otherwise the garrison are to be put to the sword, if the fort is taken -- I have answered the demand with a cannon shot, & our flag still waves proudly from the walls -- I shall never surrender or retreat. Then, I call on you in the name of Liberty, of patriotism & everything dear to the American character, to come to our aid with all despatch -- The enemy is receiving reinforcements daily & will no doubt increase to three or four thousand in four or five days. If this call is neglected, I am determined to sustain myself as long as possible & die like a soldier who never forgets what is due to his own honor & that of his country -- Victory or Death.

William Barret Travis Lt. Col. comdt.

P.S. The Lord is on our side -- When the enemy appeared in sight we had not three bushels of corn -- We have since found in deserted houses 80 or 90 bushels, and got into the walls 20 or 30 head of Beeves-- Send this to San Felipe by Express night & day--


73 posted on 03/20/2004 12:18:17 AM PST by archy (Concrete shoes, cyanide, TNT! Done dirt cheap! Neckties, contracts, high voltage...Done dirt cheap!)
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74 posted on 03/20/2004 12:21:33 AM PST by archy (Concrete shoes, cyanide, TNT! Done dirt cheap! Neckties, contracts, high voltage...Done dirt cheap!)
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To: MissAmericanPie
We have squandered their sacrifice, they may as well have gone fishing instead of defending the Alamo. The first way we squandered their sacrifice was to give up our independence to become a state, the second way everyone can see every day.

We can fix a mistake or two. It'll take some doimg, but it can be done.

Like the Alamo fight itself, it may not be obviously successful, but will at least poke a stick in the eyes of our adversaries, and may set the example for others to follow. In any event, that which Crockett, Travis, Bowie and the otyhers purchased with their blood should not be given up easily or without an equal cost to the other side. You are invited to join in and attend the ball if you so choose.

And though we may not live to see success, I'd not care to live to see a rollover surrender. And I don't expect to.

75 posted on 03/20/2004 12:40:24 AM PST by archy (Concrete shoes, cyanide, TNT! Done dirt cheap! Neckties, contracts, high voltage...Done dirt cheap!)
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To: archy
If we lose, it will be through the steady drip drip drip of the dilution of liberty and freedom. Another 2 generations, and nobody alive will remember what was lost.
76 posted on 03/20/2004 1:02:40 AM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Travis McGee
If we lose, it will be through the steady drip drip drip of the dilution of liberty and freedom. Another 2 generations, and nobody alive will remember what was lost.

Then it's up to us to see to it that as a part and result of that fight, individual freedoms and responsibilities are restored wherever possible. And just as much, to make certain that those who've tried to tinker or dilute those freedoms pay an exacting toll personally, as a lesson both to them and to others whgo might try to follow their path.

That's going to end some Republican careerrs, but many, many more of those in the Democratic and Socialist camps. Maybe some rising young republicans can fill some of those emptied spaces and do a better job of it than their predecessors.

-archy-/-

77 posted on 03/20/2004 1:14:03 AM PST by archy (Concrete shoes, cyanide, TNT! Done dirt cheap! Neckties, contracts, high voltage...Done dirt cheap!)
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To: risk; spatzie; hookman
I recently had a talk with someone who had earned a purple heart in WWII the old fashioned way; in other words, he almost died from his wounds. We got onto the topic of the Alamo, and he said, "Live to fight another day if you can. But still, every patriot longs to have been there at least once in his life."

Even taking along a piece of advanced modern weaponry and all the ammunition I could manage to carry, I doubt that one more body more or less would have made that much of a difference. And yet, if the opportunity would come my way, I'd go.

That leads to the interesting mental pushups of choosing the right tool for the job, one with enough range and power to get the work done with a single shot so as not to interfere with the acquisition and service of the next of the thousands of targets, yet with ammunition of minimal bulk allowing the carry of several thousand rounds of ammo. But then maybe, given what's immediately available, that might not be the smartest pick.



78 posted on 03/20/2004 1:32:46 AM PST by archy (Concrete shoes, cyanide, TNT! Done dirt cheap! Neckties, contracts, high voltage...Done dirt cheap!)
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To: archy
Another couple of volunteers should carry these goodies...

"SAW"

"MAAWS"

Range Finder

Night Vision Binoculars

79 posted on 03/20/2004 3:35:54 AM PST by risk
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