Saudi Sermon: Time for Christians and Jews to Convert to Islam

IMRA ^ | March 14, 2004 | FBIS

[Old Student]

I suppose I should mention that he prays for our whole church; receiving answers to those prayers is what we call revelation. Each of us can do the same for ourselves and our families. So can you. If you are a Christian, and you've ever prayed to know if you should take a job, or go on a trip, or date a particular guy or girl, or get baptized, and gotten an answer, you have experienced revelation. The answer to one such prayer is why I joined the church in the first place, and to others is why I stay.

The scripture we base this on is James 1:5. "If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not, and it shall be given him."

[Dajjal]

Time for Christians and Jews to Convert to Islam

Well, of course -- if the Signs of Qiyama are unfolding, and if the world is going to end around 2076 A.D. (1500 A.H.), and if before then all non-Muslims will either be converted or be killed.

[sneakers]

I was going to say 'c'.

But I like your plan much better! >:-)

[sneakers]

"It seems to me that by the "logic" that muslims use, that muhamed and the koran came after the bible, thereby replacing it, then all the muslims should convert to Mormons, since Joseph Smith came about later than muhamed... Or Scientology, since L. Ron Hubbard came even later on..."

I don't know, we have a church nearby that's been around since the early 1980's called the "Lord of Life" Church started by Mark somebody-or-other. I think everybody should convert to that religion (whatever religion it is). (Actually, I know some people who attend that church, and they are the 'salt of the earth'.)

Islam is the most dysfunctional religion around. Notice that many of those in our society who convert to it seem to be a bit dysfunctional themselves? It seems to pick up converts in prison. Could the violent, militant message of islam be one that attracts them?

[PresbyRev]

I concur that there is little if anything in Christianity that is 'unique.' You will find not only Christmas trees and yule logs in religious traditions prior to Christianity but even such conceptions or practices as trinitarian godheads, crucified saviors, dying & rising god-men, baptismal rites, sacred suppers, etc. With the Church Fathers, with such contemporary figures as C.S. Lewis, I would argue that Christianity is the myth that came true.

The Lutheran Churches in Germany were coopted by Nazism. The 'two kingdoms' idea allowed them to have difficulty in opposing an evil and corrupt regime, but Lutheranism did not create National Socialism. It did not create its rites. Only so far as Lutheranism and Christianity's historic teachings were ignored could policies of eugenics, total war, the leader principle and so forth be implemented.

So, my assertion that Nazism was pagan rather than Christian should simply be understood as a reminder that the essential tenets of Nazism were in opposition to Christian teachings, not rooted in the New Testament. You will not find any exhortations in the Gospels, for instance, to gas Jews or launch out on wars of conquest for the sake of Christ. Individual Christians and even elements of the larger Church have corrupted or ignored Scripture and the better instincts of the Church in order to sin in such ways, but war, aggression, atheistic evolution, racism, are not necessary elements of the Christian faith and there is much in the sacred writings, Church tradition, etc. to oppose such things.

So finally, my critique settles on Islam. There is no comparison with Christianity. The false prophet with dark sayings, a pedophile and coniving warrior cannot be compared with the Prince of Peace who came to bear witness to the passionate love of God for humanity - willing even to suffer the cross for the sake of the beloved.

The militant and authoritarian nature of Islam is rooted in the Quran; it is seen in the historical origins of Islam; it is witnessed in the history of that sad religion - Islam is violent, anti-Jewish, anti-Christian, anti-'everyone else but Muslims.' Moderate and liberal Muslims, and I don't deny such good men and women exist, are an exception to the rule and develop some moderation only in so far as they ignore their own holy book.

You make the point very well yourself. Chivington is one example in a two thousand year history of such examples - beginning with St. Peter and continuing on to you and I - Christians individually and corporately can sin; can forget the teachings of Christ; can ignore the Scriptures; we can turn our backs on Christ, deny him and wound, hurt, kill other people in thought, word and deed. When we do so, we are not being 'good Christians' and are not acting as disciples of Christ.

When a Muslim harbors anti-Jewish thoughts or runs a plane into an office building or ignites a suicide bomb in an Isareli pizza parlor - they are only being true to their own prophet and perverse conception of the deity. They find more than a little justification in the Quran and in the history of their religion.

Islam is a religion of holocaust - it has been throughout its history because that is the nature of the beast. Even our friendly Turks committed horrific genocide against the first Christian nation in the rape and destruction of Armenia & that in the modern era.

[Marauder]

I will convert to Islam when Islam pulls its collective head out of its collective butt. In a word, never.

How much inbreeding did it take to get such a significant percentage of an entire branch of the human race to become such a despicable mob of damned wild-eyed degenerate murderous bastards?

And while I know that not all Muslims are damned wild-eyed degenerate murderous bastards, those that aren't should at least speak out against those that are. If I were a Muslim willing to keep my mouth shut about the unspeakable horrors inflicted upon innocent people by these lowlife bottom-feeders, I would cower in utter shame.

[mathurine]

Islam sucks.

[mathurine]

Nunc et semper et in saecula saeculorum.

[King Prout]

now and always and for ever after.
yes.

[pointsal]

bttt

[justanotherday]

Read what the Lutheran religion teaches:

This is my reply to you and to him. It is not my purpose to quarrel with the Jews, nor to learn from them how they interpret or understand Scripture; I know all of that very well already. Much less do I propose to convert the Jews, for that is impossible. Those two excellent men, Lyra and Burgensis, together with others, truthfully described the Jews' vile interpretation for us two hundred and one hundred years ago respectively. Indeed they refuted it thoroughly. However, this was no help at all to the Jews, and they have grown steadily worse.

Posted with the understanding that this is Martin Luthers words.

[mathurine]

There are endless mohammedan clerics issuing fatwahs in favor of killing Christians, Jews and anyone else, even other muslims in terroristic ways. Tell me of any mohammedan cleric who has issued a fatwah condemning terrorism. Islam has decided that now is the time to attack the non-islamic world and even the islamic people who have gotten beyond the stone age. Actually, it is about time for islam to die. Your mullahs are deciding that for the rest of you. We have democracy and decide life and death issues for ourselves. You have semiliterate mullahs deciding for you. You have a backward society because of them and because you have a belief system that is counterproductive, not only in modern times, but in every time. Each civilization you have overturned was more advanced than yours afterward.
Here's hoping we're going to get it on. and see who is left standing.

[King Prout]

eh?

[Fiddlstix]

Saudi Sermon: Time for Christians and Jews to Convert to Islam

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Now! Lissun Up, Mr. Saudi Islamic!
(preacher or whatever you call yourself)

I'll Convert the Day They Sell Ice in Hell!

'Nuff Said!

(Click above for the link)

[Harmless Teddy Bear]

Time for Christians and Jews to Convert to Islam

Thanks but no. You have a nice day now!

[Lady Heron]

I personally find your arguments against Islam as a whole as racist as those of Klansmen against Blacks and Jews

Racist???? Time to look up the word in the dictionary, islam is not a race. No, not racist but anti-islamic is the word you are looking for. Such and old student should know that.

[Lady Heron]

You paint with a very broad brush.

islam's fundamentals are the same whether sunni or shiite, they are both based upon the koran. The koran calls for jihad whether being studied by either sect. Terrorism has come from both shiite and sunnis (think about the 70's and 80's shiite terrorism).

Islam is evil to its core. Study the religion for yourself, don't let others tell you what it says and demands. There is enough garbage in the koran to let you know of its evil without the sunnahs, it just adds to the evil.

Yes, that makes me anti-islamic which has nothing to do with race.

[Old Student]

Madam, you are mistaken. There are some who claim to be Muslims who are as you describe, but not by any means all of them. That is like the islamofacists claiming all Christians are alike. Total BS.

Anti-semitism is a form of racism, and Arabs, who are a large percentage of the world's Muslims, are Semites, just like the Jews. The KKK is also unfond of Catholics, and Jews, in case you hadn't noticed.

As for studying the religion, I have. I lived in Turkey, and Saudi Arabia, and Morocco, and among the Turks and other immigrant workers, many of them Muslim, in Germany, as well.

Like Christianity, Islam is not, in itself, evil, although, again like Christianity, there are evil people in it. The same book which brought the world the Quakers also brought the Inquisition, as it is all just a matter of interpretation. Do you know the historical reason for the split between Northern Baptists and Southern Baptists? There are many other "doctrinal differences" between the various sects of Christianity based on differing interpretations of the one foundational text. Islam has the same problem. The split between Shia and Sunni happened before Mohammed was completely cold in his grave. There have been numerous other splits in that religion, since then. If you were to say the Wahhabi were evil to the core, I might be inclined to agree with you, but even they must have SOME good people. I haven't met any of them, but I won't take that as proof that there aren't any. I knew when I decided to shoot my Southern Baptist minister stepfather if he beat up my mom again, when I was 12, that not all Baptists, or even all Southern Baptists, were evil. Just some of them. Heck, if you want to say the Imam who this thread is about is evil, I would happily agree with you. But: Broad brush I said, broad brush I meant. If the shoe fits, wear it.

[Old Student]

"There are endless mohammedan clerics issuing fatwahs in favor of killing Christians, Jews and anyone else, even other muslims in terroristic ways. Tell me of any mohammedan cleric who has issued a fatwah condemning terrorism. Islam has decided that now is the time to attack the non-islamic world and even the islamic people who have gotten beyond the stone age. Actually, it is about time for islam to die. Your mullahs are deciding that for the rest of you. We have democracy and decide life and death issues for ourselves. You have semiliterate mullahs deciding for you. You have a backward society because of them and because you have a belief system that is counterproductive, not only in modern times, but in every time. Each civilization you have overturned was more advanced than yours afterward.
Here's hoping we're going to get it on. and see who is left standing."

There have been Muslim clerics opposing the fatwahs against Christians and Jews, etc. Not very many of them, unfortunately, it is true. However, in case you weren't aware of it, ANY Imam can issue a Fatwah in his own name, without consulting with any other Muslim cleric. Do an internet search, and read through the stuff, and you'll find them. You will have to wade through a lot of hateful stuff, too, I'm afraid. My question for you is: what makes you call them MY mullahs? I'm a Mormon, not a Muslim. I've lived in several Muslim countries, and visited a lot of their religious sites in Turkey, where all such are open to the public. I'm telling you that not all Muslims are evil. I am not telling you that there aren't some who are. Relative to the population of our country, there may well be a whole lot of them who ARE evil. That is still a small portion of the total Muslim population of the world. The ones we need to watch out for, and hunt down and kill, are the Taliban, some of the the Wahabbi, and some others like them. You want to keep an eye on the rest, you won't hear me complain about it, but I think most of the Christian nations of the world bear watching, too.

[Lady Heron]

No sir, I am not mistaken. I have studied the religion and know what it teaches. Unlike Christianity or Judism it teaches its followers they should KILL non-muslims, lets not go into other things like what it teaches about women. Islam is evil in the extreme.

I do not know what you are a student of but it is evident you know nothing of what was going on in the Church through out history (Dark Ages the Church was not following the teachings in the Bible and the people had no clue, gee I wonder why it was called the Dark Ages, Reformation brought about the Bible being able to be read by the people and thus Protestantism (Protesters of the Catholic Church which brought the Catholic Church much closer to Biblical teachings)). I begin to wonder what you know about islam or whether you are a convert and are here to lie about what islam actually teaches. To bad we in the West can read.