[TalBlack]

"There was an article recently claiming that Sodom and Gomorra were about abuse of power, not sexuality. This is one of the reasons I have started rejecting any claims the gays make out of hand. No benefit of the doubt for these folks."

This is slightly off topic but I had the same exact sense as I read a letter in Guitar Player magizine today in which a writer asserted that Rush Limbaugh "(tore) down Chelsea Clinton then a teenager on his right wing radio show?"

I don't listen everyday but I seriously doubt Rush did any such thing. It occured to me that, lately, it's very easy to dismiss these people as out and out liars.

[claudiustg]

---It occurred to me that, lately, it's very easy to dismiss these people as out and out liars. ---

They lie to themselves first, so that they are both the deceivers and the deceived.