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New law to ban swords
The Herald Sun(Australia) ^ | 09mar04 | Peter Mickelburough

Posted on 03/12/2004 12:09:38 PM PST by neverdem

New law to ban swords Peter Mickelburough, state politics reporter 09mar04

SWORDS will be outlawed from July under new laws to curb the growing use of the weapons in street brawls.

Police Minister Andre Haermeyer said the ban would help police overcome a culture of young people arming themselves with swords. "For most people running around the street carrying swords there is absolutely no reason for them to be carrying those weapons," he said yesterday.

From July, anyone found possessing or selling a sword without a permit will face up to six months' jail and fines of up to $12,000.

Existing sword owners must surrender their weapons to police, sell them to a licensed dealer or apply to the Chief Commissioner for specific approval.

Collectors and people with legitimate cultural, religious or military reasons to own swords will be exempted from the ban, but must store them under lock and key and have a burglar alarm.

The sword ban follows a string of recent attacks and a regulatory impact statement undertaken by the State Government last year.

Last week, a 13-year-old boy was arrested and charged after allegedly charging police with a sword near Castlemaine, in central Victoria.

A 21-year-old man had his hand severed by a samurai sword in a confrontation between 40 men in the Fitzroy Gardens a fortnight ago -- the second brawl involving swords in 24 hours.

Huy Huynh, 19, was chased from the Salt nightclub and hacked to death nearby in July 2002 by a mob using samurai swords and machetes.

The new laws will make it illegal to sell swords to anyone who does not have a permit.

Sword sellers will have to keep a register of buyers' details and make it available for police to inspect.

Mr Haermeyer said groups such as highland dancers, historic re-enactment groups, bonafide collectors and people with family heirlooms could apply for an exemption from the licensing services branch of Victoria Police.

"Legitimate sword owners understand the importance of ensuring that their swords do not fall into the wrong hands," he said.

"The vast majority of the community would say, 'Look, there's no place for people just being able to go out there and buy these things and carry them around the street'."

Mr Haermeyer said the exact definition of a sword under the new regulations was still being considered.

He said machetes would remain a controlled weapon, requiring a person to have a legitimate reason for carrying them.

The Government is also looking at bans on some other weapons, such as crossbows, and greater restriction on the sale of prohibited and regulated weapons at weekend markets.

Mr Haermeyer warned that police would be actively hunting for knives and swords after being given new powers and 480 metal detectors late last year, allowing them to search people they reasonably suspected were carrying weapons.

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TOPICS: Australia/New Zealand; Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bang; banglist; machete; sword
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To: neverdem
Texas Penal Code--
"PC CH.46 WEAPONS
"PC section 46.01 DEFINITIONS--
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"(6) "Illegal knife" means a :
..."(E) sword; or"
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It is an offense to carry an illegal knife on or about your person in Texas.

81 posted on 03/12/2004 1:29:30 PM PST by gatex
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To: Martin Tell
Now, the first thing to do when threatened by a man with a bunch of strawberries is to release the tiger!
82 posted on 03/12/2004 1:30:12 PM PST by Colonel_Flagg ("An appeal is when you ask one court to show its contempt for another court." -- Finley Peter Dunne)
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To: neverdem
I smell the paranoia of a democrat with too much time on his hands.
83 posted on 03/12/2004 1:33:32 PM PST by INSENSITIVE GUY
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To: showme_the_Glory
...my Ninja sword, Too?
84 posted on 03/12/2004 1:35:49 PM PST by skinkinthegrass (Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get you :)
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To: DBrow
Scotland banned swords, too, with a turn-in amnesty period.

Wasn't it some kind of stunt like this that got England's King John force-fed the Magna Carta in the 13th Century?

d.o.l.

Criminal Number 18F (owner of several swords).

85 posted on 03/12/2004 1:40:57 PM PST by Criminal Number 18F (JFK Lite says: "Who you gonna believe, me or your lyin' eyes?")
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To: neverdem
"Legitimate sword owners understand the importance of
ensuring that their swords do not fall into the wrong
hands," he said.

"The vast majority of the community would say, 'Look,
there's no place for people just being able to go out there
and buy these things and carry them around the street'."


86 posted on 03/12/2004 1:46:51 PM PST by Sender ("This is the most important election in the history of the world." -DU)
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To: Sender
Kerry is very brave in that pic, willing to give up the PETA vote in the hope of a couple of hunters.
87 posted on 03/12/2004 1:56:32 PM PST by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: Mr. Mojo
Obviously!
88 posted on 03/12/2004 2:09:12 PM PST by doug9732
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To: neverdem
I remember an episode of All in the Family where the meathead was grousing about gun violence. He was citing murder rates with handguns and stated that they should be outlawed. Archies response was "would ya be happier, Meathead , if they were all pushed out of windows". I need not say anymore.
89 posted on 03/12/2004 2:13:21 PM PST by satchmodog9 (it's coming and if you don't get off the tracks it will run you down)
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To: dhs12345
And if I carry a pocket "sword", uh I mean pocket knife, am I carrying a concealed weapon?

Varies by jurisdiction. In some you would indeed be carrying a concealed weapon. Certainly on a commercial aircraft or in a school, you'd be a pot of trouble.

90 posted on 03/12/2004 2:24:44 PM PST by El Gato (Federal Judges can twist the Constitution into anything.. Or so they think.)
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To: neverdem
What about machettes? One would think that those would be an invaluable tool, especially in the outback.
91 posted on 03/12/2004 2:25:10 PM PST by AFreeBird (your mileage may vary)
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To: jscd3
I had to re-read and make sure it wasn't a parody.
92 posted on 03/12/2004 2:27:33 PM PST by TN4Liberty
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To: neverdem
A 21-year-old man had his hand severed by a samurai sword in a confrontation between 40 men in the Fitzroy Gardens a fortnight ago -- the second brawl involving swords in 24 hours. (snip) Mr Haermeyer said "Legitimate sword owners understand the importance of ensuring that their swords do not fall into the wrong hands," he said.

I would prefer a liberal concealed carry law, so that my hands do not fall to the wrong swords.

93 posted on 03/12/2004 2:34:12 PM PST by ko_kyi
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To: AFreeBird
What about machettes? One would think that those would be an invaluable tool, especially in the outback.

They're probably going after axes and hammers next.

94 posted on 03/12/2004 2:43:01 PM PST by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: Peter J. Huss; Spok
'9 out of 10 Samauri agree: swords in the hands of peasants leads to freedom and loss of political control.'

LOL!

The Philistines agreed as well:

http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/1Sa/1Sa013.html#19

[BTW, an interesting site, although I WON'T vouch for their theology, says the Samurai were descendants of the tribe of Manasseh. http://asis.com/~stag/japanese.html ]
95 posted on 03/12/2004 2:56:03 PM PST by Ethan_Allen (Gen. 32:24-32 'man'=Jesus http://www.preteristarchive.com/Jesus_is_Israel/index.html)
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To: neverdem
Remember the thugs on NY subways who carried screwdrivers?
96 posted on 03/12/2004 3:06:09 PM PST by DakotaGator
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To: Howlin; Ed_NYC; MonroeDNA; widgysoft; Springman; Timesink; dubyaismypresident; Grani; coug97; ...
A berth on the Barge of the Dead's journey to Grethor awaits the dishonorable targ that tries to take my batleth from me.

Just damn.

If you want on the list, FReepmail me. This IS a high-volume PING list...

97 posted on 03/12/2004 3:09:54 PM PST by mhking
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To: Restorer
If you think this is different from the US, you might want to try walking around downtown with your katana on your hip.
They may not have banned owning these implements in (most of) the US yet, but I guarantee you that carrying one around is frowned on.

A few years ago, I brought my old sword to have a master swordsmith look it over and appraise it. At a booth in a street-fair in San Francisco's Japantown. As I walked many blocks through the crowded streets I was very self-conscious of the sword hung over my shoulder (and felt very safe having it on me!). However, no one paid it much attention other than some curious smiles.

98 posted on 03/12/2004 3:18:01 PM PST by roadcat
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To: neverdem

And what might be banned after that???

99 posted on 03/12/2004 3:28:02 PM PST by xrp
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To: mhking
By Crom, if they want my sword. . .


100 posted on 03/12/2004 4:05:22 PM PST by Fedora
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