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Hubble's deepest view ever unveils earliest galaxies (Ultra-deep field)
SpaceFlight Now ^ | March 9, 2004 | unknown author

Posted on 03/09/2004 11:11:27 AM PST by alnitak

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To: MeekOneGOP; BossLady
It looks like beautiful art!
41 posted on 03/09/2004 5:12:38 PM PST by vikingchick
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To: vikingchick; Sabertooth; Brett66; yall
Mother Nature's canvass in the heavens !

42 posted on 03/09/2004 5:15:29 PM PST by MeekOneGOP (The Democrats say they believe in CHOICE. I have chosen to vote STRAIGHT TICKET GOP for years !!)
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To: Prodigal Son
You are very good at explaining the complex in a simple way.

So I ask you to explain this to me:

Hubble used redshift or Doppler shift in light from other galaxies to prove that the universe is expanding.

If every galaxy we observe has a Doppler shift to the red portion of the spectrum then we know all of those galaxies are moving away from us.

As I understand, and I may very well be incorrect, all of the galaxies not in our local group are moving away from us.

So if we can look in any direction in the sky and see thousands and thousands of distant galaxies all moving away from us, how is that possible.

If we aren't the center of the universe, it seems to me that everything we see came from an infinitesimal point just before the big bang, some of those things have to be moving in the same direction as we are.
43 posted on 03/09/2004 5:16:48 PM PST by American_Centurion (Daisy-cutters trump a wiretap anytime - Nicole Gelinas)
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To: American_Centurion
some of those things have to be moving in the same direction as we are.

Same general direction perhaps but the all around space between all these objects is expanding at a high rate of speed as well.

I guess what I'm trying to say is the lateral distance is increasing as well. So, to simplify it... If you had two objects going in the same general direction (i.e.- That Way), the distance between the two would increase even though they continued going generally 'that way'.

I guess, think about two highways that start at the same place and run roughly parallel at first and are headed in seemingly the same direction. If you were driving in a car on one highway and your neighbors were driving in a car on the other one and you were both driving the same speed, for a while it would probably not even seem like you were moving in relation to one another.

But if the 'side by side' distance between those two highways increased by only a little bit per mile, after a while you would be able to note that the other car was moving still towards the west coast (for example) but more and more away from you and your family (laterally). If this continued eventually the other car would be far off in the distance, even though still moving generally west. They could even be doing the same speed as you to start with but as this lateral disparity in distance increased, you would note an acceleration away from your own position. This would give you the red shift.

You see what I mean?

That's roughly a two dimensional model. With an explosion or the Big Bang, you would have that phenomenom happening in 3 dimensions.

Now, I realize this begs the question- what about people driving on the same highway with you? ;-) But think about this- in the three dimensions plus Time of a rapidly expanding space/universe- those cars travelling on the exact same path as you would only represent one very tiny point in the heavens (if you would find it at all). Even very tiny disparities in trajectory would add up very quickly and produce the red shift. Given several billion years it would become very marked indeed, thus you would measure a red shift in everything you saw.

That's the way I see it anyway.

44 posted on 03/10/2004 3:58:35 AM PST by Prodigal Son (Liberal ideas are deadlier than second hand smoke.)
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To: Prodigal Son
Thank you very much.

I can see it clearly now.
45 posted on 03/10/2004 5:12:40 AM PST by American_Centurion (Daisy-cutters trump a wiretap anytime - Nicole Gelinas)
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To: alnitak
bump, bttt, as a bookmark
46 posted on 03/10/2004 8:49:08 PM PST by Not now, Not ever! (/o/o//oo (Oh Nooooooooo... It looks like somebody ran over it!!))
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To: kjam22
Imagine you have a bomb in the middle of zilch. The bomb goes off and you are on one of the itsy bitsy pieces. The bits fly off in all directions and they form a thin expanding shell that looks like a sphere. THere's nothing to cause drag so as the shell expands all of the lil-bitsies are moving away from each other.

Thay are flying away from the point of the blast at ~c, the speed of light, so all you'll be able to see is the stuff in the flat shell section you are in. You don't look back towards the blast point, you look out anywhere within the expanding shell. It looks flat and you'll only see part of the shell, because c always travels at the same speed and always looks like it does.

You'll never see Earth, because that's you. There are no mirrors out there. You'll just see the other lil-bits. One's that are far away look like they did when the blast happened, because the light from them took distance/c secs(years) to get to you and the time since the blast is approximately a little less than that.

If you look into empty space there's a light all around, coming from everywhere far away in the shell that is the red shifted glow from the initial blast intensity. THat's called the 3oKelvin(-273oC) background radiation from the blast. It's redshifted, because the speed of light must appear as a constant. To do that the frequency shifts to lower wavelengths. It's so far away, the time so long, that the light that used to be a very high frequency now looks super low, from an intensely cold source , almost absolute zero. It's like hearing a Harley engine as the rider flies off into the distance, the music from the engine goes to lower and lower octaves.

Since redshifts mean lower frequencies, time out there-far away looks like it is slowing to a near stop. Eventually all that stuff will hang out there in ever slowing motion, until it fades into the background radiation.

47 posted on 03/12/2004 4:50:21 PM PST by spunkets
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