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Raw Data: Iraqi Constitution
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| 3/8/2004
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Posted on 03/08/2004 9:08:14 AM PST by Daus
Edited on 04/22/2004 12:39:11 AM PDT by Jim Robinson.
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The people of Iraq, striving to reclaim their freedom, which was usurped by the previous tyrannical regime, rejecting violence and coercion in all their forms, and particularly when used as instruments of governance, have determined that they shall hereafter remain a free people governed under the rule of law.
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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Foreign Affairs; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: iraq; iraqiconstitution
I've seen a summary posted, but not the whole deal... here ya go.
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posted on
03/08/2004 9:08:14 AM PST
by
Daus
To: Daus
The people of Iraq, striving to reclaim their freedom, which was usurped by the previous tyrannical regime, rejecting violence and coercion in all their forms, and particularly when used as instruments of governance, have determined that they shall hereafter remain a free people governed under the rule of law. This strikes fear into the heart of every dictatorship remaining in the region.
Changing the face of the middle east, the Bush legacy...
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posted on
03/08/2004 9:14:02 AM PST
by
Damocles
(sword of...)
To: Daus
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posted on
03/08/2004 9:14:35 AM PST
by
LayoutGuru2
(Call me paranoid but finding '/*' inside this comment makes me suspicious)
To: Daus
It shall not be permitted to possess, bear, buy, or sell arms except on licensure issued in accordance with the law.This one caught my eye. Glad our Founding Fathers knew better.
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posted on
03/08/2004 9:14:54 AM PST
by
freedomcrusader
(Proudly wearing the politically incorrect label "crusader" since 1/29/2001)
To: freedomcrusader
You had to know they wern't going to allow the Iraqis to make the same 'mistake' we did.
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posted on
03/08/2004 9:16:20 AM PST
by
Daus
To: Daus
The right to a fair, speedy, and open trial shall be guaranteed. To bad for Jose Padilla he's an American, not an Iraqi...
To: Damocles
This strikes fear into the heart of every dictatorship remaining in the region.
And quite a few 'Religous' leaders as well. Or, as in Iran, they are one in the same.
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posted on
03/08/2004 9:20:56 AM PST
by
Daus
To: Daus
>"The individual has the right to security,
education, healthcare and social security." (Chap 2, Article 14)"
Here's another Iraqi right in their bill of rights. Exactly how does this right get paid for? And from whose resources do you lay claim to pay for this right? Paul Bremmer is no Madison or Jefferson. Our social security isnt doing so good why are we giving the Iraqis one?
To: Daus
I'm glad the words United Nations does not appear in the preamble to our Constitution.
To: Dialup Llama
The right to security is a funny one too, as it will frequently be at odds with other rights.
Just think: Well, you have a right to privacy, but also a right to security, and obtaining biometric data from everyone is necessary to fulfill the right to security, so...
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posted on
03/08/2004 9:54:45 AM PST
by
freedomcrusader
(Proudly wearing the politically incorrect label "crusader" since 1/29/2001)
To: freedomcrusader
>>It shall not be permitted to possess, bear, buy, or sell arms except on licensure issued in accordance with the law.
>This one caught my eye. Glad our Founding Fathers knew better.
In defense of Bremmer, the right to bear arms only works with a lawful, middle class, moral, self-ruling citizenry. Many socities have been heavily armed, but those arms are used for gangs, warlords, extortion. The right to bear arms does not refer to societies like that.
Only in the more politically developed societies, does the right to bear arms (the legal right to defend oneself) bring liberty and develop the midset of self-reliance.
To: Daus
If a liberal wrote a constitution, with a few exceptions, this is what it would look like. What a pity.
This does not bode well for the future of the Iraqi people.
We've freed them from a ruthless dictator, and we're handing them over to the socialists. God help them.
This is only an "Interim" constitution so maybe they can fix it. But I wouldn't count on it.
:(
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posted on
03/08/2004 11:56:33 AM PST
by
Jotmo
("Voon", said the mattress.)
To: Daus
I wouldn't want to live under this Constitutuion. Especially not Article 17.
"Rights" are just that, "Rights". They are not granted by governments. Thus, Article 17 stamps all over the God given rights of the people of Iraq to defend themselves.
Also, you do not create "Rights" just by naming something a "Right". Thus, the preseumption that education and healthcare are "Rights" is ludicrous.
Yes, this does look like it was written by a freedom hating liberal.
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posted on
03/08/2004 12:05:03 PM PST
by
Jerry_M
(I can only say that I am a poor sinner, trusting in Christ alone for salvation. -- Gen. Robt E. Lee)
To: Daus
15(A)
No civil law shall have retroactive effect unless the law so stipulates
Oh, thats reasuring.
15(C)No one may be unlawfully arrested or detained ...
15(H)After being found innocent of a charge, an accused may not be tried once again on the same charge
But on a different charge, for the same act ...
18. There shall be no taxation or fee except by law.
Oh, thats reasuring, too.
These provisions are actually meaningless.
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posted on
03/08/2004 8:27:22 PM PST
by
Celtman
(It's never right to do wrong to do right.)
To: Daus; JohnHuang2; Travis McGee; Squantos; Noumenon; Lurker; joanie-f; Dukie; betty boop; ...
Thank you for this. I have been looking for it.
Article 17 is troubling.
Outside of that, with a few more minor grievances on my own part...all in all it is a very good thing and represents an historic moment for Iraq and her people...and a punctuation on the correctness of our actions.
Just the same, artcile 17 is troubling to me. The peaceful citizens of Iraq should have the right to bear arms in their own defense and it should not be infringed by licenses and permits. Infringement on gun ownership by peaceful citizens is the default under this interim law. I hope the final constitution corrects this.
Jeff
To: El Gato
Here you go.
To: Daus
Article 17. It shall not be permitted to possess, bear, buy, or sell arms except on licensure issued in accordance with the law.
That's a mistake.
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posted on
03/10/2004 11:05:50 AM PST
by
JimRed
(Fight election fraud! Volunteer as a local poll watcher, challenger or district official.)
To: Jeff Head
Article 17 is troubling.
That's why I made sure to hunt down the actual text. The 'Summary' that was floated only covered what I would call 'positive' rights, where people are given something (healthcare!). Only in the detail do you see what is NOT allowed.
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posted on
03/10/2004 11:37:55 AM PST
by
Daus
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