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To: King Prout
They can't find it. They may be able to find the gene that controls imprinting or the triggers for orgasm. Science will not find a "wants to put male genitals in another male" gene.
21 posted on 03/08/2004 12:50:54 AM PST by longtermmemmory (Vote!)
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To: longtermmemmory
again, I adjure you to patience.

I suspect it will eventually be determined that several combinations of genotypic, developmental-phenotypic, and environmental factors produce a range of observable sexual preferences and behaviors.

I suspect that that range, in the male, can be approximately represented graphically ae a dual-asymtotic curve defined by some variant of y=1/x, with the y-axis representing percentage of the population and the x-axis representing the sexual behavior range, with 0 equalling absolute and non-negotiable heterosexuality on the x-axis (the exterme of the x-axis being absolute and non-negotiable homosexuality).

Please rein in your passion - it detracts from your scientific ability.

Men express a wide range of sexual behaviors, which environmental factors alone are not entirely sufficient to explain. There are total queers who claim never to have been molested as youths (and, without hard data specific to their lives contradicting these individuals, their testimony must be accepted). There are absolute heterosexuals who are documented to have been sexually molested as youths. There are absolute queers, fully-functional bisexuals, and absolute heterosexuals who all claim with conviction to have KNOWN their orientations from the earliest stages of their lives they can recall, some who have been abused, some who have not.

This is enough to explode the notion that environment alone is the sole determinant.

Be patient. This is not too much to ask. To do otherwise is to be as much a chicken-little as the global-warming nuts. The science on this subject is far too young and far too scarce to make definitive statements one way or another. When the genomes of -say- 10,000 queer-as-get-out men have been mapped and those maps compared carefully to those of a like number of absolute straights... then we may begin to see in truth what is or is not going on and conclusively end this debate.

That day is not today.

So be patient.
22 posted on 03/08/2004 1:15:04 AM PST by King Prout (I am coming to think that the tree of liberty is presently dying of thirst.)
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To: longtermmemmory
furthermore:

Science will not find a "wants to put male genitals in another male" gene.

Probably so - it simply does not seem likely that such a specific and counter-productive gene (or set of genes) could come to be.

However, science could very well discover (as assuredly there must be something along these lines) the gene or set thereof which code for the desire to "want to put male genitals into receptive female"... and then discover a series of malformations and transcription variants thereof leading to a range of expression - from fully and properly functional to utterly screwed up - in the phenotype.

again - calm yourself, and be patient.

23 posted on 03/08/2004 1:29:15 AM PST by King Prout (I am coming to think that the tree of liberty is presently dying of thirst.)
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