Immigration reality eludes GOP

Arizona Republic ^ | 7 March 2004 | Randy Pullen

[Spiff]

Unfortunately for Rep. Jeff Flake, he apparently has lost contact with his conservative roots in Arizona. In reading his column "Bush offers migrant plan conservatives can support," I noted several inaccuracies and misstatements that cannot go unchallenged.

Conservatives and most liberals do value national security and controlling our borders. Recently conducted polls overwhelming support the enforcement of our immigration laws, including KAET-TV/ASU, GOPUSA, ProjectUSA, News/Insight Magazine and FrontPage Magazine.

[PRND21]

Be careful here, you might just get banned.

That's funny. You signed up today. Might as well tell us your last handle.

[HiramAbiff]

"Be careful here, you might just get banned."

Yes sir, I promise to toe the party line. I'll be a good little boy and not ask any hard questions. I'll promise not to critically think or have any immutable values. I will blindly follow my leaders and not hold them accountable.

[PRND21]

You, too.

[HiramAbiff]

"Rome fell, because it wouldn't control it's frontiers. We could go the same way."

What's your solution? Do you support building a massive wall?

[A. Pole]

Based on a fox news special there are points in the US border where there is NOTHING blocking entry. You can just drive across.

No need for a wall. A high fine to be paid by the employer with 50% going to the whistleblower. If whistleblower is the illegal worker himself a residency visa should be added to the reward plus relocation cost if needed for safety (that way the illegal alien will have every motivation to inform the authorities and push them to act and it will be kind to the exploited foreigner).

Within short time only the legal immigration will be taking place.

[A. Pole]

How do you punich an employer who hires a person with a valid (forged) social security card and a valid driver's license.?

If indeed the employer made honest and dilligent check, then he will be excused.

An employer can comply with the law and STILL be hiring illegals.

It will be much less frequent, believe me.

Wistleblower bounties would only lead to retaliation calls whenever someone gets passed over for someone with an accent.

Whistleblowers will not be anonymous, unfounded calls will not be rewarded and frivolous ones can be penalized. Anonymous calls cannot be rewared by definition.

It seems to me that you care more for the personal profit of the employers that for the country.

[A. Pole]

Even a national ID card would not fix things, look at europe where most countries have national ID cards but out of control illegal aliens.

They do not have whistleblower laws.

[ought-six]

"From what I have seen, the LEO's have been ORDERED by the feds to avoid contact with the illegal aliens. Makes you wonder who is pulling the feds strings."

Mexico City.

[Poohbah]

From what I have seen, the LEO's have been ORDERED by the feds to avoid contact with the illegal aliens. Makes you wonder who is pulling the feds strings.

The "feds" are not behind this; it's local governments.

[ought-six]

"That's what everyone seems to be saying, people are absolutely fed up with his constant pandering to Mexico and his big spender ways."

You are right. Oh, I read your "bio." I am a former Californian (born and raised there, and, aside from a 4-year stint in the US Air Force during Vietnam, lived there until I left for good at age 28, some 25 years ago). Growing up in California during the 1950s and early 1960s was paradise; it was a wonderful place. It all started to change in 1965, and by the mid 1970s was well on its way to being destroyed; I left California for good in 1979. California is now irreparably damaged, and, if I may coin a phrase we used in Vietnam, California will have to be destroyed in order to save it. The destruction is just about complete. You can give her a resurrection by throwing out your liberal leaders, collapsing the influence of Hollywood, and getting ride of all your illegal aliens, no matter what country they are from. Can you do it?

[RinaseaofDs]

I know one way that GWB could lose his edge in 'National Security':

AQ comes up through Mexico into San Diego, blows two tactical nukes outside the Naval Base there and pops back down below the border.

They could activate the bomb with a cell phone and be back over the Mexican border before they blow the nuke.

That would do interesting things with our Pacific naval response profile.

If this happens in the summer, Kerry, who I believe is a certified kook, could win.

GWB needs to seal this issue up soon.

[Poohbah]

For what it's worth: we had a guest-worker program until 1965.

The illegal alien problem started bigtime right after the guest-worker program ended.

Perhaps the two events are related in some fashion.

[Poohbah]

I know one way that GWB could lose his edge in 'National Security':

Another armchair commando heard from...

AQ comes up through Mexico into San Diego, blows two tactical nukes outside the Naval Base there and pops back down below the border.

In other words, al-Qaeda would need two tactical nuclear weapons, and the ability to keep them serviceable for the several months it would take to infiltrate them into the United States.

They could activate the bomb with a cell phone and be back over the Mexican border before they blow the nuke.

Uh-huh.

That would do interesting things with our Pacific naval response profile.

Al-Qaeda doesn't give a damn about such things.

If this happens in the summer, Kerry, who I believe is a certified kook, could win.

You are describing this scenario with such lip-smacking relish that I wonder if this is what you want to happen.

GWB needs to seal this issue up soon.

How do you propose to fix it?

If al-Qaeda has nuclear weapons, they could hit any port in the United States without having to cross a border--so closing the border would not solve this problem.

[FITZ]

makes me wonder if GWB is really interested in stemming the flow of illegals or protecting our borders.

Just when he shows some kind of signs that he is --- fingerprinting and photographing foreigners about to enter the country, Vicente Fox comes along and starts twisting his arm.

[janetgreen]

Yep, that's the scary part!

[janetgreen]

throwing out your liberal leaders

Wish we could, but we're outnumbered here, with more on the way. We keep trying, though.

I grew up here in the same time you did, and it was wonderful then!

[InABunkerUnderSF]

What's your solution? Do you support building a massive wall?

I wish I could convince myself that it was as simple as just building a big wall. Immigration enforcement at the border (and the airport) is a large part of it but we also need to do the following:

-- Visa enforcement for people who enter on temporary visas. Visa's up, gotta go - now.
-- Employer sanctions - and if this means steamrollering the judiciary, good.
-- Punishment in the form of foreign aid restrictions or trade sanctions for countries, especially Mexico, who try to dump their social problems on the US.
-- Punishment for countries (Mexico again) who send us their criminal class. Each time a Mexican national in the US gets a DUI, Mexico should take a hit in their foreign aid payments. Someone commits a murder, they take a bigger hit. If the penalties exceed the foreign aid budget, start with trade sanctions.
-- Put an end to "Chain Immigration". Sorry but we can't provide welfare and social security to the whole planet.
-- Immediate deportation of anyone with an outstanding felony warrant.
-- Immediate cut-off of all federal funds to any city, county or state that violates immigration policy by declaring themselves a "sanctuary" for illegals or otherwise restricts the enthusiastic cooperation of their law enforcement agencies in the enforcement of our immigration laws. This tactic worked in the deep south for integration in the mid sixties. It'll work even better on California cities today.

That's a start. I'm sure there are more things that need to be done but that would get us started.

[HiramAbiff]

Any hope whatsoever of any of that being enacted without Bucannan or O'Reily in office?

In my opinion this is the most pressing of matters - National Security. The current adminstration's refusal to address the immigration issue is putting these whole country at risk for terrorist attacks, financial collapse due to the welfare system/growing scarcity of jobs and higher crime rates. While we break our backs working and paying taxes, our money goes to support the education, health care and welfare lifestyle illegal immigrants Our whole system of values is under attack. We are going to wake up in a socialist bannana republic in 20 years.