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Bush, Fox, promote plan to ease immigration laws
Knight Ridder Newspapers ^ | 6 March 2004 | Ron Hutcheson

Posted on 03/06/2004 6:55:37 PM PST by JackelopeBreeder

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To: Owen
I'm sure blacks already see that we are deporting the Haitians who try to come here for a better life --- yet there is an endless number of Mexicans who will be allowed to come here and the blacks will be taxed also to support them.
261 posted on 03/07/2004 7:41:20 AM PST by FITZ
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To: JackelopeBreeder
Fox's official title is El Moocho Grande.

Or El Blanco Grande --- notice Fox is as European-ancestried as most of us on here --- and notice it's the mestisos he's wanting out of Mexico. Fox is running one of the largest ethnic cleansings we've ever witnessed. He sees the mestisos as some kind of troops --- take away their jobs and land in Mexico so they're forced to participate in his reconquista.

262 posted on 03/07/2004 7:47:31 AM PST by FITZ
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To: FITZ
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I'm sure blacks already see that we are deporting the Haitians who try to come here for a better life --- yet there is an endless number of Mexicans who will be allowed to come here and the blacks will be taxed also to support them.
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Exactly, and their picked party isn't helping them. So post to their websites and get them to vote Tancredo. Think what a political earthquake it would be for the Congressional Black Caucus to make such an announcement.
263 posted on 03/07/2004 7:50:15 AM PST by Owen
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To: Iberian
The rest of them feed your family.

Have you ever been to the border and seen the level of food stamp use? Try saying no immigrants get in on the food stamp program --- you'll quickly see who is feeding who. And check out the welfare offices --- around here you won't see many who aren't immigrants flooding them. Mexicans can't feed themselves even in their own country --- that's the reason their flooding over the border.

264 posted on 03/07/2004 7:51:22 AM PST by FITZ
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To: PRND21
Link to F.A.I.R. article

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Clinton’s Subtle, but Historic, Redefinition of U.S. Immigration Policy

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Commentary by Ira Mehlman

Federation for American Immigration Reform Spokesman

The Clinton Administration is now a part of history, and historians are just getting started assessing the Clinton legacy. There will be plenty to keep them busy. There were remarkable successes in managing an unprecedented period of economic expansion, the first budget surpluses in three decades, and of course there were notable failures in the area of health care reform and personal integrity.

Among the records set during the Clinton years was the largest sustained wave of immigration in America’s history. Some 10 million new immigrants arrived in the U.S. during his presidency, and by the time he left offices there were nearly 30 million foreign born residents, accounting for more than 10 percent of the population.

But perhaps more significant than the sheer numbers of people who settled here during the Clinton years, was the dramatic redefinition of the purpose of immigration policy and the relationship between immigrants and their adopted country. Two subtle, but significant shifts occurred during the last eight years that are worth noting: U.S. citizenship was turned into a political commodity, and immigrants became America’s “customers.”

After losing control of both houses of Congress in the 1994 election to the Republicans, Clinton embarked on a program to reshape the electorate in a way that was more to his liking. In addition to using his considerable powers of persuasion to win back public support, he set about creating a new American public. The administration directed the Immigration and Naturalization Service to mint new citizens in time to vote in the 1996 elections. Under the direct control of Vice President Gore, the Citizenship USA program was tasked with naturalizing as many noncitizens as they could possibly find in time to participate in the next election.

The plan succeeded. Democrats have eliminated the Republicans’ majority in the Senate and have significantly eroded their advantage in the House. An analysis of voting patterns across the country shows that voting by new citizens has been the deciding factor in numerous elections, and in nearly every case, has broken to the Democrats’ advantage.

That immigrants are playing a significant role in American politics is nothing new. What changed during the Clinton years is that altering the political landscape became an objective of immigration policy. In much the same way as employers have used immigrants to change labor market conditions to their advantage, the Clinton Administration used them to create an electorate more to their liking.

The second subtle, but important, change that occurred under Clinton was a redefinition of the relationship between immigrants and the American nation. One of the priorities set forth by Clinton’s INS commissioner, Doris Meissner, was to improve the agency’s “customer service.”

Certainly no one who has ever dealt with INS would dispute the need for improvements in the way the agency treats those who are going through the immigration process. But Meissner’s repeated description of immigrants as “customers” was more than a matter of semantics. The choice of words reflected a very significant change in attitude.

In the past, immigration was seen as policy designed to serve the interests of the nation. As such, there was a general belief that it was the responsibility of the immigrants to go the extra mile to accommodate themselves to the social, cultural and linguistic norms of the country. As customers, that relationship is reversed. It is the nation that must bend over backwards to accommodate the “customers,” and provide whatever services and programs they need.

Under the customer model, if immigration creates overcrowded schools, or exceeds the capacity of public health care system, you don’t reduce immigration. Instead you build as many schools and emergency rooms as the “customers” require. Under the customer model, it doesn’t matter whether immigrants have marketable skills, or that more than one-third have less than a high school education. It becomes the nation’s obligation to deal with the needs of the immigrants.

Very often it is the subtle policy changes of a presidential administration that define its legacy. Clinton’s subtle manipulation of immigration policy could prove to be among the most long lasting imprints he leaves on America.

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End of article

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This explains what may have happened to California. Presidential elections between 1952 and 1988, the state went Republican all but once. Since 1992, its been solidly Democratic ( 1992 would be hard to gage because of the Perot factor ). I'm not saying that massive immigration into California is the only reason that the state has turned Democratic but it has to be a big one.

and about 95%

The key word is "about". The 95% is at the high end of my guess and that figure is debatable since there is no way of knowing an exact percentage. Feel free to put out an estimate on the percentage that broke the Democrats way and any of your sources.

265 posted on 03/07/2004 8:06:36 AM PST by Missouri
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To: FITZ
Fitz, You just don't get it!. If you hold a 5x7 picture close enough to your face it blocks out everything. Put the pix down and see the whole thing. Imigration what we were built on. This is the first time ever we have had to seek SEPARATION. We need to separate the people that are here to kill us and deal with them.
266 posted on 03/07/2004 8:18:36 AM PST by Iberian
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To: FITZ
You mean the 8-12 million Hispanics already here? How is it possible to deport them? Do you have an answer?

No, it isn't racist it is common sense.

267 posted on 03/07/2004 8:19:08 AM PST by Porterville (random acts of kindness? Hate free zones? Kindness is in every act of hate I do.)
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To: Richard-SIA
If Bush is carrying out the liberal/Democrat agenda, I may as well vote with the liberals -- at least they don't pose as conservatives. No much to lose on this next election -- I have two choices: I can vote for a rich boy or I can vote for a rich boy.
268 posted on 03/07/2004 8:24:45 AM PST by EverOnward
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To: EverOnward
I grew up in El Paso Tx. My home town is an excellent example of what uncontrolled immigration can do to a local economy. El Paso is now essentially part of Mexico and is enjoying the fruits of the association: a poor economy, poverty, sluggish growth, violent crime, out of control social services spending….. and guess where approximately 80% of the illegal alien’s earnings go; that’s right back to Mexico not into the local economy. Little wonder Fox encourages illegal immigration into the United States; it’s bolstering Mexico’s pitiful economy.
269 posted on 03/07/2004 9:20:25 AM PST by Colonel Jim
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To: Porterville
It's possible to deport Haitians who already got here but not Mexicans? Hmmmm...
270 posted on 03/07/2004 9:27:17 AM PST by FITZ
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To: Colonel Jim
Add 33% of a population that bothers with private health insurance ---- all the rest get it free, government housing projects going up faster than you imagine but not fast enough to keep up with immigration, and sky-high welfare rates.
271 posted on 03/07/2004 9:29:15 AM PST by FITZ
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To: Colonel Jim
Little wonder Fox encourages illegal immigration into the United States; it’s bolstering Mexico’s pitiful economy.>>>>>>

Yes, the first year Fox was in office (2000) the 'remittances' were only 5.9 BILLION to mexico.

However the last three years these 'remittances' now total about 35 BILLION.

Anyone seen 40 BILLION dollars worth of improvement in mexico since Fox was elected ??
272 posted on 03/07/2004 9:29:19 AM PST by txdoda ("Navy Brat")
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To: Iberian
Before the Great Society, those immigrants who couldn't make it here returned back home --- people forget that about one third the immigrants from Europe returned home in a short time. Post welfare and socialism in the USA, we actually attract the losers --- and they'll never go back.
273 posted on 03/07/2004 9:31:10 AM PST by FITZ
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To: FITZ
FITZ......did you know the NAFTA Visa's to mexico went to UNLIMITED as of 1-1-2004 ??

Where they had been 'capped' at 5500 per year.
274 posted on 03/07/2004 9:32:22 AM PST by txdoda ("Navy Brat")
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To: txdoda
If there were any improvement, we'd be seeing fewer illegals and instead we're seeing more than ever. The ONLY way Mexico will ever improve is for it's citizens to start staying home and fixing it. They need to change that government and that culture --- won't happen with the current situation.
275 posted on 03/07/2004 9:33:40 AM PST by FITZ
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To: Colonel Jim
Anyone who doesn't believe what you wrote needs to go to El Paso --- or other border counties like Hidalgo, Starr etc and take a good look around. You don't see all that many lettuce pickers but the welfare offices are crammed full. Anyone who think Mexico is full of hard-working Republicans needs to go to the slums of Mexico City (or most any Mexican city) and look at the hordes of street children begging on any corner.
276 posted on 03/07/2004 9:36:46 AM PST by FITZ
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To: FITZ
Well said!
277 posted on 03/07/2004 9:41:31 AM PST by Colonel Jim
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To: txdoda
Precisely!
278 posted on 03/07/2004 9:43:36 AM PST by Colonel Jim
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To: FITZ
I know, common sense is a tough concept, look it up at www.dictionary.com - it will give you a base to start from and then you can work your way up :)

I know you can do it!! Good Luck!!
279 posted on 03/07/2004 9:46:21 AM PST by Porterville (random acts of kindness? Hate free zones? Kindness is in every act of hate I do.)
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To: JackelopeBreeder
The people who come to this country make a significant contribution to the American economy," Fox told reporters

So I guess the obvious question to el Presidente is why he so anxious for these contibutors to LEAVE his country. Perhaps it's because he sees the US as a safety valve in much the same way as Castro does. If all the digruntled leave, then there's no reason to change the corrupt status quo in Mexico.

280 posted on 03/07/2004 9:50:56 AM PST by YankeeReb
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