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KERRY'S PAST IS DISTURBING ON MANY LEVELS... -- Is He A Fake War Hero & Patriot?
ICONOCLAST ^ | Frank Salvato

Posted on 03/06/2004 8:50:59 AM PST by Apolitical

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To: autoresponder
Monday will be a bad day for my lib NYC sister She picked the wrong horse and stable long ago

Next time she brings up GW, Iraq, and our military I'll just tell her she has no right to discuss any military issue because she never wore the uniform or served.

The "Brownies" do not count.

You are thoroughly enjoying yourself, aren't you. ;o)

I surely do wish I could see your sister when she opens her email Monday morning.
Thanks for the ping.

41 posted on 03/06/2004 4:58:30 PM PST by dixiechick2000 (President Bush is a mensch in cowboy boots.)
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To: Apolitical; Owl_Eagle; alloysteel; SAMWolf; elbucko; WilliamofCarmichael; autoresponder; ...
Jean-Fraud Kerry self-cited his Silver Star for assassinating a wounded enemy combatant.

JFK2 glommed three purple Band-Aids for owies leaving no scar, requiring no hospitalization, getting him back to the world.

Where he could slander his "band of brothers" as "war criminals, murderers, rapists"--

--despite the fact Kerry was the only war criminal Kerry caught red-handed.

Col. Bui Tin told the Wall Street Journal that the anti-war activists were "essential to our strategy"--Henry Mark Holzer and Erika Holzer, Aid and Comfort: Jane Fonda in North Vietnam, McFarland, 2002, p. 80 from The Wall Street Journal, "How North Vietnam Won the War", August 3, 1995.

Kerry was no hero, his decorations suspicious, his subsequent actions treasonous and despicable.

He later voted against the B-1, B-2, F-14, F-15, F-117, Abrams, Apache, Aegis, Bradley, MX, Seawolf, et cetera et cetera.

He sought to cut the CIA a billion and a half and then lamented the lack of intelligence which led to 911.

He suppressed investigation of unaccounted U.S. POW-MIAs in order to hasten normalization so his cousin Forbes could make hundreds of millions in profit on exclusive Vietnam real estate contracts.

He voted FOR Iraqi Freedom but AGAINST funding it, showing he is at once John Flipflop Kerry and John Fifthcolumn Kerry.

He would have long since drowned in his own crap were he not standing on Teresa's red shoulders.

42 posted on 03/06/2004 5:22:05 PM PST by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: PhilDragoo
We have to keep hitting ALL of these points, from now until November, but not hard enough, to have him not be the Dem presidential candidate!
43 posted on 03/06/2004 5:27:47 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Joy Angela; risk; Diva Betsy Ross; Ragtime Cowgirl; conservogirl; Alamo-Girl
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Please see Post #42

ALOHA
44 posted on 03/06/2004 5:42:53 PM PST by ALOHA RONNIE (Vet-Battle of IA DRANG-1965 www.LZXRAY.com)
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To: ALOHA RONNIE
Kerry and crew functioned without forethought in a 'Free Fire Zone,' injudiciously
firing at targets of opportunity
and achieving a number of enemy kills along
with some civilian deaths as well. His body count included a woman, her baby,
a 12 year-old boy, an elderly man and several South Vietnamese soldiers.
He freely admits participating in this type of activity and the casualties they caused -
even the civilian casualties.


AR, quick question from this never-served civilian (VOA):
What exactly is a "Free Fire Zone"?
Shoot anything that moves if it's not "ours"?
Even if it's unarmed civilians?

And if unarmed civilians were NOT to be valid targets in such an area (unless
accidental shooting would be understandable in the worst conditions)...
what would be the usual military treatment? -- ignored, cited for bad conduct,
or head to a military court?

I'm not trying to nail down a JAG opinion...just what your general understanding
of acceptable conduct would be in a free-fire zone.
45 posted on 03/06/2004 5:55:03 PM PST by VOA
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To: ALOHA RONNIE; PhilDragoo
bump
46 posted on 03/06/2004 6:21:40 PM PST by risk
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To: VOA
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Non-Free Fire Zones during offensive Search and Destroy Operations in Vietnam meant don't fire unless fired upon.

Free Fire Zones meant no such restriction while in an Enemy controlled area. And we were carefull to make sure ahead of time what kind of area we were moving into.

Sometimes Valleys or Villages were emptied of vietnamese civilians before we went in (Song Ca "Happy" Valley) and sometimes not (Bong Son Valley).


See:



'Ronnie Guyer Photo Collecton'

http://www.lzxray.com/guyer_collection.htm


.
47 posted on 03/06/2004 6:27:40 PM PST by ALOHA RONNIE (Vet-Battle of IA DRANG-1965 www.LZXRAY.com)
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To: Oldsailor; All
"I knew many purple hearts to be awarded for very minor injuries during my time in the service and most of us knew who the fake heros were."

Thanks Oldsailor - I think you hit the nail on the head. It seems to me that most of you Vets can spot a phony a mile away.
48 posted on 03/06/2004 7:09:46 PM PST by JLO
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To: BOBWADE; zip
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49 posted on 03/06/2004 8:02:03 PM PST by Mrs Zip
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To: PhilDragoo
Kerry was no hero, his decorations suspicious, his subsequent actions treasonous and despicable.

Worth repeating.

50 posted on 03/06/2004 8:05:06 PM PST by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: Oldsailor
Thank you for your service to our country. My Dad was in
the army infantry, 88th/351st, in Italy. Received a
Presidential Unit Citation & Bronze Star for Laiatico, but
he didn't talk about it much & when he did it was with
much distress at the loss of so many good men; he also
got a Purple Heart, but never said much about that either.
51 posted on 03/06/2004 8:09:49 PM PST by Twinkie
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To: PhilDragoo
RE: voted against weapon systems

Some leftist sites are calling the claims lies.

The documentation for most of these votes is at http://www.gop.com/RNCResearch/Read.aspx?ID=3936

I searched because the F117 was a black program and was intiated under Carter. It few missions prior to being transferred to the "white" world around 1990 - 91.

I don't think it was ever voted on. The gop site does not list it.

52 posted on 03/06/2004 9:07:05 PM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (Benedict Arnold was a hero for both sides in the same war, too!)
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To: ALOHA RONNIE
Bump!
53 posted on 03/06/2004 9:09:11 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Apolitical

54 posted on 03/06/2004 9:12:33 PM PST by Petronski (John Kerry looks like . . . like . . . weakness.)
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To: All
Drudge has a link to a British newspaper about Kerry's attempts get his draft board to let him continue his studies. The article references a Harvard newspaper article from that era. googling finds that many people already knew about it. Not a big deal but I guess Kerry has been suggesting that he jumped at the chance to serve.

"A Navy Dove Runs for Congress"

http://www.thecrimson.com/today/article357339.html

55 posted on 03/06/2004 9:13:57 PM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (Benedict Arnold was a hero for both sides in the same war, too!)
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To: stylin19a
RE: "revising this history"

Yeah, a little revision going on. It was the Communists' violations of the peace accords that finally "drove" the few remaining Americans out.

Some argue that the South failed to resist. I know that there was no will here to even provide the promised support for the South once the accords are signed.

Giap's most valuable guerillas, the American press and the likes of John Kerry, drove our forces out of Vietnam. It took years and the destruction of our wartime administration but they did it.

56 posted on 03/06/2004 9:29:41 PM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (Benedict Arnold was a hero for both sides in the same war, too!)
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To: PhilDragoo
People might also want to look into Kerry's investigation of the Bank of Credit and Commerce scandal and his treatment of witnesses and evidence.
57 posted on 03/07/2004 3:55:30 AM PST by gaspar
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To: PhilDragoo; autoresponder; Liz; onyx; nicmarlo; Happy2BMe; potlatch; MEG33; Grampa Dave; maxwell; ..
Excellent post ! Thanks ...


58 posted on 03/07/2004 4:52:47 AM PST by MeekOneGOP (The Democrats believe in CHOICE. I have chosen to vote STRAIGHT TICKET GOP for years !!)
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To: MeekOneGOP; WilliamofCarmichael; ALOHA RONNIE; SAMWolf; snippy_about_it; Apolitical; Owl_Eagle; ...
Here is a log of Jean-Fraud Kerry's anti-defense/anti-intelligence voting record posted on the Foxhole by SAMWolf:

SENATOR KERRY FOUGHT TO SLASH INTELLIGENCE FUNDING BY AT LEAST $2.5 BILLION

1995: Proposed Bill Cutting $1.5 Billion From Intelligence Budget. Kerry introduced a bill that would “reduce the Intelligence budget by $300 million in each of fiscal years 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, and 2000.” There were no cosponsors of Kerry’s bill, which never made it to the floor for a vote. (S.1290, Introduced 9/29/95)

1995: Voted To Slash FBI Funding By $80 Million. (H.R. 2076, CQ Vote #480: Adopted 49-41: R 9-40; D 40-1, 9/29/95, Kerry Voted Yea)

1994: Proposed Bill To Gut $1 Billion From Intelligence And Freeze Spending For Two Major Intelligence Programs. Kerry proposed a bill cutting $1 billion from the budgets of the National Foreign Intelligence Program and from Tactical Intelligence, and freezing their budgets. The bill did not make it to a vote,but the language was later submitted (and defeated – see below) as S. Amdt. 1452 to H.R. 3759.(S. 1826, Introduced 2/3/94)

1997: Kerry Questioned Growth Of Intelligence Community After Cold War. “Now that that [Cold War] struggle is over, why is it that our vast intelligence apparatus continues to grow even as Government resources for new and essential priorities fall far short of what is necessary? …” (Senator John Kerry Agreeing That Critic's Concerns Be Addressed, Congressional Record, 5/1/97, p. S3891)

When His Bill Stalled In Committee, Kerry Proposed $1 Billion Cut As Amendment Instead. Kerry proposed cutting $1 billion from the National Foreign Intelligence Program and Tactical Intelligence budgets, and freezing their budgets. The amendment was defeated, with even Graham, Lieberman and Braun voting against Kerry.(Amdt.. To H.R. 3759, CQ Vote #39:Rejected 20-75: R 3-37; D 17-38, 2/10/94, Kerry Voted Yea; Graham, Lieberman And Braun Voted Nay)

After all the above, he has the nerve to say this, after 9/11, 12 Days After 9/11: Kerry Questioned Quality Of Intelligence. “And the tragedy is, at the moment, that the single most important weapon for the United States of America is intelligence. … And we are weakest, frankly, in that particular area. So it’s going to take us time to be able to build up here to do this properly.” (CBS’s “Face The Nation,” 9/23/01)

SEN. KERRY’S DEFENSE STRATEGY: CUT CRITICAL WEAPONS SYSTEMS

In 1996, Introduced Bill To Slash Defense Department Funding By $6.5 Billion. Kerry’s bill had no co-sponsors and never came to a floor vote.S. 1580, Introduced 2/29/96;

In 1995, Voted To Freeze Defense Spending For 7 Years, Slashing Over $34 Billion From Defense. Only 27 other Senators voted with Kerry.

Fiscal 1996 Budget Resolution – Defense Freeze. “Harkin, D-Iowa, amendment to freeze defense spending for the next seven years and transfer the $34.8 billion in savings to education and job training.”

S. Con. Res. 13, CQ Vote #181: Rejected 28-71: R 2-51; D 26-20, 5/24/95, Kerry Voted Yea

In 1993, Introduced Plan To Cut Numerous Defense Programs, Including:

Cut the number of Navy submarines and their crews
Reduce the number of light infantry units in the Army down to one
Reduce tactical fighter wings in the Air Force
Terminate the Navy’s coastal mine-hunting ship program
Force the retirement of no less than 60,000 members of the Armed Forces in one year.
S.1163, Introduced 6/24/93>[? Has Voted Repeatedly To Cut Defense Spending, Including:

In 1993, Voted Against Increased Defense Spending For Military Pay Raise. Kerry voted to kill an increase in military pay over five years.

S. Con.Res. 18, CQ Vote #73:
Motion Agreed To 55-42: R 2-39; D 53-3, 3/24/93, Kerry Voted Yea

In 1992, Voted To Cut $6 Billion From Defense. Republicans and Democrats successfully blocked the attempt to cut defense spending.

S.Con. Res. 106, CQ Vote #73:
Motion Agreed To 53-40: R 38-1; D 15-39, 4/9/92, Kerry Voted Nay

In 1991, Voted To Slash Over $3 Billion From Defense, Shift Money To Social Programs. Only 27 Senators joined Kerry in voting for the defense cut.

H.R. 2707, CQ Vote #182:
Motion Rejected 28-69: R 3-39; D 25-30, 9/10/91, Kerry Voted Yea

In 1991, Voted To Cut Defense Spending By 2%. Only 21 other Senators voted with Kerry, and the defense cut was defeated.

S. Con. Res. 29, CQ Vote #49:
Motion Rejected 22-73: R 1-39; D 21-34, 4/25/91, Kerry Voted Yea

Has Voted Repeatedly To Cut Or Eliminate Funding For B-2 Stealth Bomber.

H.R. 3072, CQ Vote #203:
Rejected 29-71: R 2-43; D 27-28, 9/26/89, Kerry Voted Yea;

H.R. 3072, CQ Vote #310:
Rejected 29-68: R 3-41; D 26-27, 11/18/89, Kerry Voted Yea;

S. 2884, CQ Vote #208:
Rejected 43-56: R 8-36; D 35-20, 8/2/90, Kerry Voted Yea;

S. 2884, CQ Vote #209:
Rejected 45-53: R 9-34; D 36-19, 8/2/90, Kerry Voted Yea;

S. 1507, CQ Vote #174:
Rejected 42-57: R 7-36; D 35-21, 8/1/91, Kerry Voted Yea;

H.R. 2521, CQ Vote #206:
Motion Agreed To 51-48: R 36-7; D 15-41, 9/25/91, Kerry Voted Nay;

S. 2403, CQ Vote #85:
Adopted 61-38: R 7-36; D 54-2, 5/6/92, Kerry Voted Yea;

S. 3114, CQ Vote #216:
Rejected 45-53: R 8-35; D 7-18, 9/18/92, Kerry Voted Yea;

S. 2182, CQ Vote #179:
Rejected 45-55: R 8-36; D 37-19, 7/1/94, Kerry Voted Yea

Has Voted Repeatedly Against Missile Defense.

S. 1507, CQ Vote #171:
Motion Agreed To 60-38: R 40-3; D 20-35, 8/1/91, Kerry Voted Nay;

S. 1507, CQ Vote #173:
Rejected 46-52: R 5-38; D 41-14, 8/1/91, Kerry Voted Yea;

H.R. 2521, CQ Vote #207:
Motion Agreed To 50-49: R 38-5; D 12-44, 9/25/91, Kerry Voted Nay;

S.2403, CQ Vote #85:
Adopted 61-38: R 7-36; D 54-2, 5/6/92, Kerry Voted Yea;

S.3114, CQ Vote #182:
Rejected 43-49: R 34-5; D 9-44, 8/7/92, Kerry Voted Nay;

S.3114, CQ Vote #214:
Rejected 48-50: R 5-38; D 43-12, 9/17/92, Kerry Voted Yea;

S. 3114, CQ Vote #215:
Adopted 52-46: R 39-4; D 13-42, 9/17/92, Kerry Voted Nay;

S. 1298, CQ Vote #251:
Adopted 50-48: R 6-36; D 44-12, 10/9/93, Kerry Voted Yea;

S. Con. Res. 63, CQ Vote #64:
Rejected 40-59: R 2-42; D 38-17, 3/22/94, Kerry Voted Yea;

S. 1026, CQ Vote #354:
Motion Agreed To 51-48: R 47-6; D 4-42, 8/3/95, Kerry Voted Nay;

S. 1087, CQ Vote #384:
Rejected 45-54: R 5-49; D 40-5, 8/10/95, Kerry Voted Yea;

S. 1745, CQ Vote #160:
Rejected 44-53: R 4-49; D 40-4, 6/19/96, Kerry Voted Yea;

S. 1507, CQ Vote #168:
Rejected 39-60: R 4-39; D 35-21, 7/31/91, Kerry Voted Yea;

S. 1507, CQ Vote #172:
Motion Agreed To 64-34: R 39-4; D 25-30, 8/1/91, Kerry Voted Nay;

S. 1873, CQ Vote #131:
Rejected 59-41: R 55-0; D 4-41; I 0-0, 5/13/98, Kerry Voted Nay;

S. 1873, CQ Vote #262:
Rejected 59-41: R 55-0; D 4-41, 9/9/98, Kerry Voted Nay;

S 1635, CQ Vote #157:
Rejected 53-46: R 52-0; D 1-46, 6/4/96, Kerry Voted Nay;

S. 2549, CQ Vote #178:
Motion Agreed To 52-48: R 52-3; D 0-45, 7/13/00, Kerry Voted Nay

KERRY OPPOSED WEAPONS CRITICAL TO RECENT MILITARY SUCCESSES

Running For Senate In 1984, Kerry Promised Massive Defense Cuts. “Kerry in 1984 said he would have voted to cancel … the B-1 bomber, B-2 stealth bomber, AH-64 Apache helicopter, Patriot missile, the F-15, F-14A and F-14D jets, the AV-8B Harrier jet, the Aegis air-defense cruiser, and the Trident missile system. He also advocated reductions in many other systems, such as the M1 Abrams tank, the Bradley Fighting Vehicle, the Tomahawk cruise missile, and the F-16 jet.”
Brian C. Mooney, “Taking One Prize, Then A Bigger One,” The Boston Globe, 6/19/03)

Weapons Kerry Sought To Phase Out Were Vital In Iraq. “[K]erry supported cancellation of a host of weapons systems that have become the basis of US military might -- the high-tech munitions and delivery systems on display to the world as they leveled the Iraqi regime of Saddam Hussein in a matter of weeks.”
(Brian C. Mooney, “Taking One Prize, Then A Bigger One,” The Boston Globe, 6/19/03)

F-16 Fighting Falcons. “The Air Force would also play an important role in strikes against high-ranking officials of the Ba’ath regime. On April 4, two Air Force F-16 Fighting Falcons dropped laser-guided munitions on the house of Ali Hassan al-Majid, a.k.a. ‘Chemical Ali,’ in Basra.”
(Abraham Genauer,“Technology And Volume Of Sorties Overwhelmed The Iraqis’ Defenses,” The Hill, 5/21/03)

B-1Bs B-2As F-15 And F-16s. “On the night of March 21 alone, the first of ‘shock and awe,’ coalition air forces flew nearly 2,000 missions. … Involved were Air Force B-1B Lancers, B-2A Spirits, … F-15E Strike Eagles and F-16 Fighting Falcons…”
(Abraham Genauer, “Technology And Volume Of Sorties Overwhelmed The Iraqis’ Defenses,” The Hill, 5/21/03)

M1 Abrams. “‘[M1 Abrams] tanks were the sledgehammer in this war,’ added Pat Garrett, an associate analyst with GlobalSecurity.org. ‘The tank was the tool that allowed [the ground forces] to progress as fast as they did.’”
(Patrick O’Connor, “Revolutionary Tank Tactics Alter Iraqi Conflict, Future Of Urban Warfare,” The Hill, 5/21/03)

Patriot Missile. “U.S. Central Command says the Patriots … have improved to the point where they intercepted nine of the Iraqis’ short-range al-Samoud 2 and Ababil-100 missiles in this conflict.”
(Andrea Stone, “Patriot Missile: Friend Or Foe To Allied Troops?” USA Today, 4/15/03)

AH-64 Apache Helicopter. “Recently, Apaches in Afghanistan achieved success directly supporting ground troops. … Whether in shaping the battle in a combined arms Warfighter-type fight where intelligence of the enemy is known, or by conducting close combat attacks in direct support of a ground commander, the Longbow Apache provides significantly increased flexibility and firepower for U.S. Army forces …”
(Maj. David J. Rude and Lt. Col. Daniel E. Williams, “The ‘Warfighter Mindset’ and the War in Iraq,” Army Magazine, 7/03)

Tomahawk Cruise Missile. “The first operational use [of Tomahawk cruise missiles] was in Operation Desert Storm, 1991, with immense success. The missile has since been used successfully in several other conflicts … include[ing] Bosnia … in 1995 and in Iraq again … in 1996 … [and in] strikes against training camps run by Osama Bin Laden’s al-Qaeda network in Afghanistan in 1998. Cruise missiles were also fired during the air campaign over Kosovo in 1999.”
(Vivek Rai, “Cruise Missiles, By Air And Sea,” MSNBC.com, Accessed 7/17/03)

Aegis Air-Defense Cruiser. “During Operation Iraqi Freedom, [the Aegis cruiser] Bunker Hill … was one of the first warships to conduct Tomahawk strikes against leadership targets in Iraq. The ship launched a total of 31 missiles during the war. Its embarked … helicopter detachment … supported the rescue of United Nations workers being forcibly removed from oil platforms in the Northern Arabian Gulf and provided medical evacuations from the Iraqi city of Umm Qasr.”
(S.A. Thornbloom, “USS Bunker Hill Makes Revolutionary Return,” NavyDispatch.com, Accessed 7/17/03)

During 1980s, Kerry And Michael Dukakis Joined Forces With Liberal Group Dedicated To Slashing Defense. Kerry sat on the board of “Jobs With Peace Campaign,” which sought to “develop public support for cutting the defense budget…”
(“Pentagon Demonstrators Call For Home-Building, Not Bombs,” The Associated Press, 6/3/88)

Running For Congress In 1972, Kerry Promised To Cut Defense Spending. “On what he’ll do if he’s elected to Congress, Kerry said he would ‘bring a different kind of message to the president.’ He said he would vote against military appropriations.”
(“Candidate’s For Congress Capture Campus In Andover,” Lawrence [MA] Eagle-Tribune, 4/21/72)

59 posted on 03/07/2004 4:35:15 PM PST by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: PhilDragoo
Great find!
60 posted on 03/07/2004 4:48:53 PM PST by nopardons
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