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Republican Congressman Kolbe - "Gay Marriage...its time has come"
03/05/04 | sasafras

Posted on 03/05/2004 11:15:20 AM PST by sasafras

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To: Bikers4Bush
Who do these people think they represent the left?

Of course they do. They're "Republicans" so that they can decay the platform from within, leaving Americans with two "choices" -- one party, with two labels.

141 posted on 03/07/2004 3:19:17 AM PST by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: All

Quienes es mas macho, Jim Kolbe o Vicente Fox?

142 posted on 03/07/2004 3:20:25 AM PST by expatguy (Subliminal Advertising Executive)
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To: kingu
Even if homosexuality is a genetic or hormonal thing, it isn't connected to gay marriage.

It is dismaying to watch so few people stand up to the "I was born this way" fallacy.

It has zero basis for anything, for one simple reason. Even if they were "born that way", so what?

So what!

If "I was born this way" becomes grounds for license, then heaven help us, because it has been demonstrated that other "behaviors" do have something of a genetic basis.

Do we really want to live in a "culture" where pederasts and pathologically violent individuals are given a pass, because "they were born that way"?

If not, then there is no basis for "I was born this way" being a rationale for passing homosexual-favorable legislation. And if it is grounds for giving homosexuals a pass, then it's also grounds for giving all "I was born this way" cases a pass.

You can't have it both ways. Logic simply doesn't get any simpler than this.

143 posted on 03/07/2004 3:24:13 AM PST by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: Spiff
Funny how so many people define extreme liberals as "moderate". There is no "moderation" in supporting the dismemberment and death of an unborn child. There is no "moderation" in believing that deviants deserve special rights. There is no "moderation" in believing that our borders should be wide open to any and all invaders who wish to cross. There is no "moderation" in believing that any and all social programs should be funded through the confiscation and redistribution of each individual's wealth. There is no "moderation" is supporting the destruction of our sovereignty through the support of the United Nations. There is no "moderation" in believing that 8-12 million foreign national criminal invaders who live in our country illegally should be excused of their crimes. There is no "moderation" in believing that the rights guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution are negotiable in any way. The "moderates" need to go find another party more to their idealogical bent. I would be thrilled if the so-called "moderates" would leave the "big tent".

It's really quite simple when you think about it.

The Democrats are the party of the left. They advocate every left of center cause, the more radical left, the more vociferous their support.

The Republicans, on the other hand, are lectured on how they have to open "the big tent".

In other words, we have one party that takes a position, and stands its ground, and another party, which, we're told, needs to flee it's position, and embrace the positions advocated by the other party.

What's wrong with this picture?

Everything.

But what's worst, is having some of those lectures coming from within our own putative ranks.

Where are the calls for the Democrats to open "the big tent"? Where are the calls for them to appeal to pro-life, pro-Constitution, pro-Second Amendment, pro-conservative causes?

The game is rigged, and The Stupid Party lives up to its moniker by buying into a rigged game.

Why the hell can't won't the Republican party grow even half the cohones the Democrats proudly wave in our faces?

Why are we dominated by pathetice denizens of the country club, driven by a fear of offending those who've committed to our destruction?

I have little hope for the future of the Republican Party, other than as a "mee-tooo!" knock-off of the Democrats.

Anyone want to prove me wrong?

Please, I'd welcome it.

144 posted on 03/07/2004 3:38:40 AM PST by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: Dataman
How can anyone with a working brain compare the fecally fixated sodomites' impositon of their immorality on society with the struggle for civil rights of oppressed Blacks?

See P.T. Barnum for the answer.

145 posted on 03/07/2004 3:44:19 AM PST by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: monkeywrench
Why don't the moderates start their own party?

Because it's always cheaper to buy used.

If they can take the putative conservative party (the party that supposedly embraces conservative values) and erode it from within, they not only get a working viable party on the cheap, but, they knock a major opponent out of the ring at the same time.

BTW, there really aren't too many true "moderates". The tag mainly applies to those who want to push liberal "values", but softly.

146 posted on 03/07/2004 3:47:51 AM PST by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: GeronL
First off whatever it is it ain't marriage, so calling it gay marriage is a double bastardization of the language.

People need to stop calling it marriage, it will never be, the word has a meaning. Homosexual couples need to find another word besides marriage.

Bingo. The word has a meaning. It's used in other contexts too, such as cooking, where we speak of different foods "marrying" as they simmer. The flavors mix and blend, forming a new flavor that's different from the mere sum of the components.

You can't "mix" or "blend" two same foodstuffs.

Basically, we're watching the bastardization of a civilization. Western civilization is imploding. For real.

When the job is done, what we're left with won't bear any recognizable resemblance to what the founders tried to leave us.

147 posted on 03/07/2004 3:56:16 AM PST by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: sasafras
It's time to FLUSH Kolbe from the public arena!
148 posted on 03/07/2004 4:25:49 AM PST by leprechaun9 (Beware of little expenses because a small leak will sink a great ship!)
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To: Luke21
Get in touch with Jeff Hill. I am pretty sure he had some interest several years ago. Although he rented a room in his condo to the Republican homo, Jeff is NOT gay. He has a great wife and two super kids. I just wish I still lived in Tucson and could help him if he would run.
149 posted on 03/07/2004 4:50:18 AM PST by John D
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To: expatguy

Literally "playing with fire" when you consider what God did to Sodom and Gomorrah. And God has not changed His opinion toward sodomites one iota because God is not swayed by our pathetic opinion polls. We will all stand before His judgement throne and answer for what has happened to us and our country. God help us.
150 posted on 03/07/2004 5:06:39 AM PST by kittymyrib
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To: Don Joe
The sad thing is that we may have already lost the game. If the nation has slid so far to the left that the Democrats can run outright socialists like John Kerry and the Republicans have to pander to the liberals and their issues to retain any power, then we're in truly awful shape.

I know that there are a great number of conservatives out there who are not voting. I know that there are a number of disenfranchised people out there who are simply looking for some leadership to lead them back to the political process, to empower them, to actually win a few for the conservative cause.

If you believe one of the leaders of my church, and I do believe him, we are no long slouching towards Gomorrah, we are there. Read this. (Scroll to "Morally Mixed up World" near the end.)

But, as another leader of my church stated, and this is one of my political anchors:

"The fight for freedom is God's fight. Freedom is an eternal law of God. Men cannot break it with impunity, but can only break themselves upon it. When a man stands for freedom, he stands for God. As long as he stands for freedom, he stands with God. And were he to stand alone, he would still stand with God. Any man will be eternally vindicated and rewarded for his stand for freedom." - Ezra Taft Benson

So, even if the battle is lost, the cause is just, and I will continue to fight no matter what. The victory is to be gained and rewarded beyond this world. Written history may state that we fought a losing battle and were ultimately defeated. But the history written in the "Book of Life" will read otherwise.

151 posted on 03/07/2004 9:14:48 AM PST by Spiff (Don't believe everything you think.)
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To: sasafras
Well, time to call a spade a spade. Having an (R) after your name imbibes one neither with smarts nor with common sense.
This MENSA graduate still is not clear that there are some things that can't be legislated, and hence beyond the venue of him, a court or anyone else.

A state legislature (Idaho?) tried to legislate the value of pi once as 3.2 because it is easier to learn and use. This clown sounds just as ridiculous. Lots of things may be legislated, including "pseudo marriage". Somehow I fear that that will never be enough. The perverts and the deviants want the label. That word will validate what they do and make it normal. Nothing else will, even if every privilege, right and benefit of marriage is made available to them. Their pathology will never allow them rest until they can "feel" that they are normal.

Might as well legislate that vasectomies and hysterectomies no longer exist: henceforth we shall have only "normalizing". Well, better assign a full time trooper to keep me in line because my language can never allow using "marriage" to apply to a same-sex couple. If they want to attach a cape and call themselves "superman" let them knock themselves out.

I refuse to play. An no law can make me.
Is that clear enough?

152 posted on 03/07/2004 9:32:01 AM PST by Publius6961 (50.3% of Californians are as dumb as a sack of rocks (subject to a final count).)
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To: kingu
Did you have something to say? That all came out very very muddled. Can you repeat that with some hint of clarity?
153 posted on 03/07/2004 9:49:43 AM PST by Publius6961 (50.3% of Californians are as dumb as a sack of rocks (subject to a final count).)
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To: GeronL
what rights do they not have?

The "right" to feel normal. And as far as I'm concerned, they will never have it, since fictitious "rights" are a sop only to a sick mind.

154 posted on 03/07/2004 9:54:18 AM PST by Publius6961 (50.3% of Californians are as dumb as a sack of rocks (subject to a final count).)
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To: truthandjustice1
With friends enemies like you, we don't need democrats.

There. I fixed it for you.

155 posted on 03/07/2004 9:59:03 AM PST by Publius6961 (50.3% of Californians are as dumb as a sack of rocks (subject to a final count).)
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To: Don Joe
It goes by various names, mob mentality, mass psychology, "a nation of sheep", etc.; but whatever name you hang on it, the result is what matters. And the result is that it's become trivially easy to "steer the agenda" by constantly bombarding people with "polls" that tell them what "most people think".

What is truly remarkable is that in this instance, the tiny minority has that kind of influence over 98% of the population. It is hard to imagine that level of ignorance and inability to weigh causes and consequences among presumed adults.

156 posted on 03/07/2004 10:03:53 AM PST by Publius6961 (50.3% of Californians are as dumb as a sack of rocks (subject to a final count).)
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To: Knuckle Sandwich Combo
One of the most damaging strategies in this debate is the quoting of scriptures in any form.
Don't you realize that, if we are obligated to blindly accept matters of faith in a secular society, we are doomed?
We would be equally obligated to accept the quran, that most despicable of demented scribblings from a moronic pervert mind...

Of course, feel free to continue, but expect zero positive effect.
Man, a reasoning animal with an intellect, should be able to arrive at the proper rules of behavior without the mindless cutting and pasting of monkeys. It is irritating to see this strategy when it is obvious that any value the argument has is useless to perverts impervious to matters of faith. It just gives them ammunition against us.

157 posted on 03/07/2004 10:31:23 AM PST by Publius6961 (50.3% of Californians are as dumb as a sack of rocks (subject to a final count).)
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To: kingu
And yes, again, for the record, I think it is incredibly stupid to imply that you can read someone's mind when committing a crime.

You bigot.

158 posted on 03/07/2004 10:44:36 AM PST by Houmatt (The FMA: For your children's future.)
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To: Publius6961
Thank you!
159 posted on 03/07/2004 10:58:51 AM PST by truthandjustice1
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To: Spiff
The sad thing is that we may have already lost the game. If the nation has slid so far to the left that the Democrats can run outright socialists like John Kerry and the Republicans have to pander to the liberals and their issues to retain any power, then we're in truly awful shape.

I know that there are a great number of conservatives out there who are not voting. I know that there are a number of disenfranchised people out there who are simply looking for some leadership to lead them back to the political process, to empower them, to actually win a few for the conservative cause.

It's worse than lost. We're so far gone that those who voice these concerns, and call for the type of leadership you describe, are insulted, demeanded, taunted, ridiculed, and ostracized using a variety of despicable tactics.

That it happens right here on a daily basis is proof positive that the line of no return has been crossed, and the "winners" are boldly scampering toward the ribbon.

Part of me wants to gloat, and say, "Well, won't they be surprised when the take that first sip from the winner's cup," but I'm too busy trying not to think of what faces this country.

160 posted on 03/07/2004 3:08:20 PM PST by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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