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Gun Bill Defeat Has Dems up in Arms
New Britain Herald.com ^ | 5 March 2004 | Michelle Knueppel

Posted on 03/05/2004 8:29:54 AM PST by kimber

WASHINGTON -- When the Senate voted overwhelmingly Tuesday to kill a bill that would have freed gun manufacturers and distributors from liability in many civil lawsuits, several gun control measures the Senate included also died.



Now, some Democratic senators, including Joseph I. Lieberman of Connecticut, say they intend to try to attach those measures as amendments to other legislation this year.

Lieberman was one of the sponsors of legislation that would require background checks for weapon sales at gun shows.

The Senate voted for it as an amendment to the gun liability bill. It also approved an amendment that would renew the ban on 19 kinds of semi-automatic weapons for 10 more years. Both amendments died when the Republican-drafted civil liability bill was defeated, 90-8, after its backers concluded that the amendments were unacceptable. "I am disappointed that the Senate’s final action ..in defeating the bill will prevent these important, life-protecting amendments from moving forward at this time," Lieberman said after the vote.

But, he added: "I am hopeful that we will see them move forward through other means in the future."

Democratic U.S. Sen. Dianne Feinstein of California, who sponsored the semi-automatic weapons ban, vowed that she would find ways to include her amendment in other bills moving through the Senate this year.

Many Republicans who initially supported the bill voted against it because they opposed the Democrats’ amendments. They were joined by Democrats who concluded that the gun control amendments would not outweigh problems with the core bill. Connecticut’s Democratic senators were split, with Sen. Chris Dodd voting against the bill and Lieberman voting for it.

"This was a bad bill," Dodd said. "Its aim wasn’t to protect a single person in Connecticut or across the nation from gun violence."

Its aim was to shield the gun industry from lawsuits. That’s wrong."

But Lieberman said that "in the end, I concluded that the harm done by the immunity bill was outweighed by the good done by several amendments."

Gary Mehalik, spokesman for the National Shooting Sports Foundation, which represents the firearm industry, said: "Ninety senators voted down the underlying bill and with it the amendments. ..That says a lot."

President Bush had urged "clean" passage of the bill, free of amendments that called for stricter gun control. White House press secretary Scott McClellan correctly predicted before the vote that the amendments would kill the bill.

Gun opponents cheered the decision, which would keep the gun industry accountable in court, while gun advocates lamented that licensed manufacturers could be held responsible for criminals who use weapons illegally.

Patricia Checko, the director of health for the Bristol-Burlington Health District, said gun companies should be legally responsible for inflicting harm, much like tobacco companies.

"A cigarette is also legal, and yet people who smoke cigarettes and get lung cancer are able to sue the maker of the cigarette. Why would a gun industry say: ‘It’s not my fault. I just make this legal product, and it’s not up to me who gets a hole in them?’"

But Mehalik said that gun companies should not be held financially accountable for crimes committed with guns. It is "way beyond the control of the law-abiding and licensed (gun) industries" if criminals use the weapons to harm others, he said.

He also said it was important to limit expensive lawsuits to prevent employee layoffs."There are thousands of people employed by the firearms industry," he said.


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KEYWORDS: bang; banglist; gunbills
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Regardless of what the Senate may or may not do, firearm legislation will not pass the House of Representative. They have already may that clear. This is a dead issue for the Dems and political suicide. You would think, they learned this by now.
1 posted on 03/05/2004 8:29:54 AM PST by kimber
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To: kimber
Just try to buy a gunshow gun without a background check.
2 posted on 03/05/2004 8:32:32 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: bang_list
Democratic U.S. Sen. Dianne Feinstein of California, who sponsored the semi-automatic weapons ban, vowed that she would find ways to include her amendment in other bills moving through the Senate this year

For those that think this is a dead issue. Time to contact your congress critter.

3 posted on 03/05/2004 8:35:15 AM PST by alaskanfan
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To: kimber
Ten Republicans voted for extension of the AWB.

Chafee (R-RI), Yea

Collins (R-ME), Yea

DeWine (R-OH), Yea

Fitzgerald (R-IL), Yea

Gregg (R-NH), Yea

Lugar (R-IN), Yea

Smith (R-OR), Yea

Snowe (R-ME), Yea

Voinovich (R-OH), Yea

Warner (R-VA), Yea

4 posted on 03/05/2004 8:39:01 AM PST by alaskanfan
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To: kimber
So, I guess that according to this logic GM, Ford, Chrysler, Audi etc. are pretty much responsible to families of anyone killed/injured by drunk drivers?
5 posted on 03/05/2004 8:48:15 AM PST by skimbell
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To: skimbell
Yes, and so are Anheiser-Busch, Miller, Coors and Plank Road Breweries.
6 posted on 03/05/2004 8:51:17 AM PST by bobjam
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To: *bang_list
Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!
7 posted on 03/05/2004 9:18:03 AM PST by Joe Brower (The Constitution defines Conservatism.)
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To: kimber
"A cigarette is also legal, and yet people who smoke cigarettes and get lung cancer are able to sue the maker of the cigarette. Why would a gun industry say: ‘It’s not my fault. I just make this legal product, and it’s not up to me who gets a hole in them?’"

Smoking a cigarette is legal, shooting someone with a gun is not. I'm having a hard time with her analogy.

8 posted on 03/05/2004 9:21:24 AM PST by Senator_Blutarski (No good deed goes unpunished.)
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To: kimber
What needs to happen is that when someone gets injured or killed by "gun violence" in an area where there is strict gun control, the person or family of the person need to sue the anti gunners on the same grounds that they are directly responsible for the criminals ability to kill or maim since there is no way for the victims to defend themselves.

I don't know how well it would work but we need to give them a dose of their own medicine.

Also, every person in California who had to surrender a gun should sue the anti's for damages... not the legislators but the wacky anti gun nuts.

We need to start hurting them in the pocket book hard. If they want to bankrupt us, let's bankrupt them first.

Mike

9 posted on 03/05/2004 9:22:48 AM PST by BCR #226
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To: kimber
As usual the libs will get theirs, and ours is dead, dead.
10 posted on 03/05/2004 9:35:44 AM PST by Ursus arctos horribilis ("It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" Emiliano Zapata 1879-1919)
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To: BCR #226
Also, every person in California who had to surrender a gun should sue the anti's for damages... not the legislators but the wacky anti gun nuts.

Not that I don’t sympathize with your anger at the anti-gun nuts, but legislatures and governors make laws not activist.

The bad part is you can’t sue your representatives or governor for acting against their oaths to uphold the Constitutions of the United States and their State.

11 posted on 03/05/2004 9:37:18 AM PST by Pontiac (Ignorance of the law is no excuse, ignorance of your rights can be fatal.)
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To: skimbell
I'm going to sue Hoover and Oreck because the Democrats suck so badly.
12 posted on 03/05/2004 9:37:50 AM PST by Sender ("This is the most important election in the history of the world." -DU)
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To: Pontiac
You are right... but, the anti's are trying to force legislation through lawsuits against manufacturers. Since we are barred from suing the garbage that pass these laws, we need to eliminate their supporters and money. To do this, we must hit the anti gun groups such as Brady, VPC, and others. They are putting for the ideas that are helping the legislators carve up our rights. Make them understand the unintended consequenses of their actions by hitting them where it hurts the most and they will get the message.

Mike

13 posted on 03/05/2004 9:44:51 AM PST by BCR #226
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To: Pontiac
"Not that I don’t sympathize with your anger at the anti-gun nuts, but legislatures and governors make laws not activist."

Not quite true. Activist judges make laws all the time.

14 posted on 03/05/2004 9:46:27 AM PST by ought-six
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To: ought-six
Activist judges make laws all the time.

Ain't that the truth.

And legislators pass laws that fly in the face of your constitutional rights.

15 posted on 03/05/2004 9:53:39 AM PST by alaskanfan
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To: kimber
Lieberman was one of the sponsors of legislation that would require background checks for weapon sales at gun shows.

One of the reasons Lieberman is no longer a contender for higher office. Politicians, there's a lesson there....

16 posted on 03/05/2004 10:50:45 AM PST by archy (Concrete shoes, cyanide, TNT! Done dirt cheap! Neckties, contracts, high voltage...Done dirt cheap!)
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To: ought-six
Not quite true. Activist judges make laws all the time.

There are a couple of remedies for that. Hopefully, congress will make use of the one available to them before the citizenry has to make use of theirs.

17 posted on 03/05/2004 10:52:19 AM PST by archy (Concrete shoes, cyanide, TNT! Done dirt cheap! Neckties, contracts, high voltage...Done dirt cheap!)
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To: archy
Not quite true. Activist judges make laws all the time.

There are a couple of remedies for that. Hopefully, congress will make use of the one available to them before the citizenry has to make use of theirs.

What a polite and delicate way of putting it.

18 posted on 03/05/2004 11:04:11 AM PST by King Prout (I am coming to think that the tree of liberty is presently dying of thirst.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
If buying a gunshow gun is your goal, have a tight lipped friend buy it for you and then sell it to you. Excuse? Yes, your Honor, I bought the gun and it had a lousy action and barrel in it, so I sold it some sucker I met at the restaruant during lunch.

Or

Look for guys coming into the gunshow with a piece. Ask if it's for sale...buy it with cash and go home.

You will have just caused Diane, the Communist Senator in our government, Feinstein to dump her $200 dinner. Smile broadly.
19 posted on 03/05/2004 11:08:12 AM PST by B4Ranch (Don't be so open-minded your brains fall out.)
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To: alaskanfan
"Ten Republicans voted for extension of the AWB."

Do me a favor and call these RINO's by their true title which is "Communist RINO's".

20 posted on 03/05/2004 11:10:30 AM PST by B4Ranch (Don't be so open-minded your brains fall out.)
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