To: dennisw
"All I know from the above is the Vatican II conference did away with Jews as Christ killers. Even if this this was perpetrated locally and not directly from Rome (the Vatican). And was not Church doctrine. If this is wrong then please explain."
First, Vatican II did not say that the Jews did not instigate Christ's death. It said the notion of collective guilt for all Jews was wrong and forbidden. Those are two different ideas. Second, Vatican II DID NOT EXONERATE the Jews of 33 A.D. The Council merely repeated what the Church had often stated before. The Council of Trent in the sixteenth century made the very same point--that there could be no question of collective guilt for Jews because of Christ's death, that ALL MEN were guilty for it. This was why it has been a slander to suggest that because Mel Gibson rejects Vatican II, somehow he rejects its statement on the Jews. He rejected the Council for other reasons. Its statement on the Jews--that they could not be held guilty collectively--was traditional and acceptable to all traditionalists. Moreover, it was his hand holding the nail for the Crucifixion--signifying his own guilt and affirming Trent's decree of universal guilt. All Christians can identify with that gesture.
To: ultima ratio
Thanks much for the details and explanation. I respect your posts to me. I wish I was more educated in this area but I'm not.
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03/06/2004 3:44:32 AM PST by
dennisw
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