[dennisw]

What you haven't done is prove that the Catholic Church has ever in two thousand years ever held the doctrine of collective guilt.

Perhaps the official party line in Rome (Vatican) was not to name Jews as Christ killers. On the lower local levels this was done all the time without reprimand and lead to pogroms and a holocausts. Why else do you think the Vatican II conclave did away with the Christ killer libel (collective guilt, persecution for all Jews) for good?

[ninenot]

Dennis, let's examine this with less heat and more light, please.

Perhaps the official party line in Rome (Vatican) was not to name Jews as Christ killers. On the lower local levels this was done all the time without reprimand and lead to pogroms and a holocausts.

You do know that Rome's official party line regarding ordination of homosexuals and playing 'hide-the-perp' is substantially different than that of certain local Bishops, eh? You can find a LOT of points on which the Church's teachings are different from Churchmen's practices. It's what we call the human condition.

Why else do you think the Vatican II conclave did away with the Christ killer libel (collective guilt, persecution for all Jews) for good?

If you are referring to the Good Friday prayer for 'the perfidious Jews,' your dating is wrong. That phrase was removed in at LEAST the early 1960's--before VII.