To: ultima ratio
What you've posted is a rabbi's analysis of a line in the New Testament. That Rabbi is a Christian Jew.
What you haven't done is prove that the Catholic Church has ever in two thousand years ever held the doctrine of collective guilt.
Then how come Jews were called Christ killers for centuries? Who was promoting this? The butchers and bakers? The cooks and candle stick makers?
That is a libel. The rabbi who wrote the article you posted is just as bigoted as you are to say so.
That Rabbi is a Christian Messianic Jew. Figured I would snag you there. Zola Levitt.
578 posted on
03/05/2004 8:40:39 AM PST by
dennisw
(“The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.”)
To: dennisw
"Then how come Jews were called Christ killers for centuries? Who was promoting this? The butchers and bakers? The cooks and candle stick makers?"
The Catholic Church has never accepted the collective guilt of Jews.
But you seem to be liberal with your accusations against Christians and the Catholic Church in the collective sense.
To: dennisw; ultima ratio
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That is a libel. The rabbi who wrote the article you posted is just as bigoted as you are to say so. That Rabbi is a Christian Messianic Jew. Figured I would snag you there. Zola Levitt.
Do you consider Levitt to be a "poached" Jew? BTW, Levitt didn't write the "Blood Libel" article you excerpted from his website, it was written by Todd Baker, Th.M.
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591 posted on
03/05/2004 8:49:46 AM PST by
Sabertooth
(Malcontent for Bush - 2004!)
To: dennisw
"Then how come Jews were called Christ killers for centuries?"
How the hell should I know--or care? What I DO KNOW is that the Church has never declared Jews "Christ killers" as you say. Besides, Jews and Christians had mutual animosities of all sorts having nothing to do directly with religion, but having to do with cultural differences. This is not unusual. It happens everywhere. Jews are not special in this! Do you think Catholics weren't persecuted and killed for centuries in England? Do you think Christians are tolerated in countries like Pakistan and Egypt even today? Do you wring your hands over the 300,000 Catholics in a single province who were slaughtered in the French Revolution; do you fret over the hundreds of thousands of Christians killed and enslaved even today in the Sudan? Give me a break--it's the human condition for ALL people to suffer these persecutions--not just the Jews. People of one religion for the most part don't especially like people of another--unless they are enlightened and true to the tenets of what they believe. But to take a leap from this virtually universal situation to a condemnation of the Catholic Church over two millenia, or to go even further and to blame Christianity itself for setting-up the Holocaust, is sheer slander. It is bigotry, pure and simple--and it elicits anger and hostility, rightfully so.
To: dennisw
Then how come Jews were called Christ killers for centuries? Who was promoting this? The butchers and bakers? The cooks and candle stick makers? No one had to promote it, it was part of the zeitgeist for 1500 years.
Christians vs. Jews
Christians vs. Islam
But mainly Christian vs. Christian in the great intramural religious wars.
Catholic Church vs. Arian Church
Roman Catholic Church vs. Orthodox Catholic church
Roman Catholic Church vs. Albigensian
Roman Catholic Church vs. Protestants
Protestants (Lutheran) vs. Protestants (Calvinist)
Protestants (Zwingli) vs. Protestants (Lutheran)
Church of England vs. Roman Catholic Church
and that's just the highlight reel.
By the end of the Intramural Religious wars, much of Europe was practically depopulated. There are many reports that a man could ride for days across Germany, for instance, and never see another living soul, just abandoned farms and villages.
The wars stopped when there weren't enough people left to fight them.
So9
636 posted on
03/05/2004 9:46:47 AM PST by
Servant of the 9
(Screwing the Inscrutable or is it Scruting the Inscrewable?)
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