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To: Just mythoughts
You believe what you choose, however, blaming Christ(ians) won't fly.

So I shouldn't place some blame Christian Europe for the Holocaust? I should just blame the Europe of the 1930s and 1940s? I shouldn't blame (in part) a church that named Jews as Christ killers for 15 centuries?

463 posted on 03/05/2004 7:12:50 AM PST by dennisw (“The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.”)
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To: dennisw
"So I shouldn't place some blame Christian Europe for the Holocaust? I should just blame the Europe of the 1930s and 1940s? I shouldn't blame (in part) a church that named Jews as Christ killers for 15 centuries?"

You really want me to answer that question?

Seems to me Christ stands on His own, and His instructions from the beginning to this day stand on their own.

Blaming Him which is what you do when you claim "Christian" to blame is what I totally reject. Remember Christ never SINNED, He was the perfect Blood Sacrifice for one and all time.

No way to compare the two separate events which is what you are doing.
468 posted on 03/05/2004 7:16:38 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: dennisw
So I shouldn't place some blame Christian Europe for the Holocaust?

1. Christians DESTROYED the Holocaust. The soldiers of the allied armies were overwhelmingly Christian - as the crosses above their graves at Normandy attest. Churchill and Roosevelt sang "Onward Christian Soldiers" at the Atlantic Conference. 2. Your blaming of Christians reminds me of Father Coughlin blaming Jews for communism in Russia because a disproportionate number of the Bolshies were Jewish. 3. Are you saying there was no antisemitism in the world before Jesus? What about Xerxes, who tried to wipe out the Jews but was foiled by Esther? 4. If Christianity is to blame for antisemitism, how do you account for Muslim antisemitism?

478 posted on 03/05/2004 7:25:22 AM PST by churchillbuff (?)
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To: dennisw
"I shouldn't blame (in part) a church that named Jews as Christ killers for 15 centuries"

Now the truth comes out--you are a plain old-fashioned bigot--and ignorant as well. The Catholic Church has always condemned the notion of collective guilt--and the Council of Trent made this explicit long before Vatican II. This has been a perennial doctrine of the Catholic Church. I challenge you to show me where in fifteen centuries the "church" has named Jews as "Christ killers". You can't. It's a lie--a libel, like Krauthammer's.
515 posted on 03/05/2004 7:48:42 AM PST by ultima ratio
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