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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
It counts to me. It does not count to many Jews. The preponderance of Jews are made to look like monsters. In this movie the only good Jews are Christians already. So it looks like all non christian Jews are monsters. This could have been avoided and it was not the case at the time of Jesus' death. Quite the reverse but the movie does not show this. The Gospels make this clear. The movie does not.
312 posted on 03/05/2004 1:39:31 AM PST by mercy
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To: mercy
It counts to me. It does not count to many Jews.

At some point, mercy, it becomes their problem. If they won't see what is there when it is pointed out, there isn't much you can do.

Silencing Christ is not an option.

And, I will bring up a second time: Even the Jewish (and Roman) "monsters" (as you call them) in this film are forgiven their behavior by God himself. That's a pretty big point to miss, but if one is determined to miss it, miss it they will.

320 posted on 03/05/2004 1:45:11 AM PST by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet ("Lashing out" at Democrats since 1990.)
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To: mercy
I'm surprised that no one has mentioned that Jesus didn't utter even ONE word against the "death penalty" for the two THIEVES dying on the cross with Him!!!

That would have been a PRIME opportunity for the Saviour of the World to denounce the "death penalty" for ANY crime, let alone for mere THEFT. But He DIDN'T denounce the "death penalty."

To me, by His NOT denouncing the "death penalty," He condoned the it---for crimes even as minor as THEFT!!!

Of course, in the OLD Testament, God DEMANDS the "death penalty" for murderers. Genesis 9:6 says Whoever sheds the blood of man, by man shall his blood be shed..."

324 posted on 03/05/2004 1:54:12 AM PST by Concerned
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To: mercy
In this movie the only good Jews are Christians already.

This one comment demonstrates beyond a doubt your prejudice has prevented you from seeing the movie -- the one on the screen, not the one in your head.

In the movie,the only character to be called "Jew" as an insult is Simon of Cyrene. Simon clearly has no idea who Jesus is before he is conscripted; he is NOT a "christian already".

His reluctance turns to sympathy for Jesus' suffering on a purely personal level, and the moment between them where Simon whispers to Jesus "It's almost over" as they both struggle with the weight of the timbers -- this is one of the most moving scenes in he movie.

Simon is one of the heroes of the movie, perhaps the best. There is no indication in the film he was a "christian" before or AFTER his encounter. And he is the only character in the film to receive the insult "Jew".

You have not seen the movie.

414 posted on 03/05/2004 6:25:44 AM PST by Taliesan (fiction police)
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To: mercy
"In this movie the only good Jews are Christians already."

I didn't get that impression when I saw the movie last night. The only Jews who were clearly Christian were the disciples and the two Marys. But there were plenty of others (such as Simon who helped carry the cross and some of the high priests who were appalled at the kangeroo court, or people in the crowd who called the proceedings a "travesty") who came across to me as ordinary Jews who just didn't like what was going on.

I will say this though. People on this board have often said the Roman soldiers were portrayed just as bad as the high priests so what's the problem? To me the Roman soldiers came across as merely brutal and stupid. But the high priests were manipulative, deceitful and shameless in their hypocrisy (as when they tell Pilate "We have no king but Caesar.") Pilate was portayed as an honest (but weak) man trying to keep peace in the country (and thereby save his job). The high priests on the other hand were cynically throwing one charge after another at Jesus in hopes of finding one that would stick. I don't know if the high priests deserved to be portrayed as worse than the Romans but in this film they clearly were.

778 posted on 03/05/2004 11:57:06 AM PST by DentsRun
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