[Hamza01]

"Why should the occupation of Lebanon by Syrian Moslems and Alawites cause Arab Christians to hate Jews?"

It doesn't. It was the Israeli invasion of Lebanon and occupation of the Arabs of Palestine that has engendered this hatred. As far as the Syrian Alawites/Muslims: it seems the Christian leadership of Lebanon view the Syrians as their allies-- and views the Jews of Israel as their enemies.

"Why should the occupation of Jordan -- which was formed to be the "palestinian homeland" -- by Arabian Hashemites cause anyone to hate Jews?"

What right did the UN have to "create" a Palestinian homeland? Or decide that the people who lived in historic Palestine(Christian and Muslim) were to give up half their land to foreigners. As far as the Hashemites-- they're Arabs who have deep roots in the Hijaz and Northern Arabia, and many Arabs only wish they could be ruled by the Jordanian Hashemites.

"Oh, there's a succinct way of saying "the Jews were murdered and driven out."

Many Jews were murdered and driven out, but not by the Christian of Palestine, and not even by the Muslims who conquered the area around 640AD. The first wave of Jewish departure began in the Roman period. The second wave occurred around the time of the Crusades, when Arab Christians, Muslims, and Jews were slaughtered by European Christians who couldn't tell them apart. The Jews, quite intelligently, decided to move. Many went to Iran,Iraq and Arab North Africa and Spain. Back then, the Muslim empires weren't destructive totalitarian Wahabbis, and the Jews were at the very least tolerated. That was not possible in medieval European Christendom, or sadly, today's Islamic world.

"What is now Israel was largely depopulated by the 19th Century, and it was the Turks who began selling land to the Jews in the latter part of that Century." The first part of what you state here is unfortunately factually incorrect, the latter part is true. The Turks did sell some land to Jews, as did the Brits and some Arabs during the mandate period. But where you're off dramatically is the idea that the Palestinians are merely the descendants of a handful of nomadic bedouins. The Palestinians (Muslim and Christian) were overwhelmly a settled city people living off the often lucrative business of religious pilgrimage. They were also farmers whose fathers had tilled that land for a millenium. To this day, there are Palestinin families whose olive groves are still nurtured with the same tender care as they were a thousand years ago. Except, of course, when the Israelis burn them.

In 1920, the demographic balance between Arabs (Christian and Muslim) and Jews in Palestine was at least 4-1. At least a million people lived there. The demographic balance shifted a little due to massive Jewish emigration to the Holy Land, and then through the forced expulsion of the Arabs in 1948. (By the way, even the Israelis now admit that Israel could not have survived without the forcible removal of the Arabs)

As far as chosen peoples go, God chooses different peoples to carry his word at different times. Once he chose the Jews, but the Jews rejected Jesus.

But we digress... this thread is about Jesus. Did you like the movie? I saw it with my Muslim relatives and my Catholic in-laws. Gibson was true to the Injeel (the Good News). Most movies about Christ are so sanitized they fail to inspire. This one was powerful. Mostly historically accurate. And the fluent Arabic speakers amongst my relatives loved the Aramaic as they picked up words and word roots here and there.

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[Sabertooth]

It doesn't. It was the Israeli invasion of Lebanon and occupation of the Arabs of Palestine that has engendered this hatred

There's some selective and inaccurate history.

Israel invaded the lower strip of Lebanon in self defense to put an end to the terrorist attacks that were being launched from there. Lebanon had become anarchic since the beginning of the civil war between the Muslims and Maronites began in 1975.

And once again: Israel does not occupy "palestine," the Hashemites do.

As far as the Syrian Alawites/Muslims: it seems the Christian leadership of Lebanon view the Syrians as their allies-- and views the Jews of Israel as their enemies.

You must know that the Christians are being driven out of Lebanon by the Lebanese and Syrian Muslims.

What right did the UN have to "create" a Palestinian homeland?

The UN didn't. Learn your history. The League of Nations did, because proto-Israel was willing to trade 78% of the Transjordan for peace in response toi Arab atrocities after the Balfour Declaration.

Many Jews were murdered and driven out, but not by the Christian of Palestine, and not even by the Muslims who conquered the area around 640AD. The first wave of Jewish departure began in the Roman period. The second wave occurred around the time of the Crusades, when Arab Christians, Muslims, and Jews were slaughtered by European Christians who couldn't tell them apart.

You sorta glossed over the Jews and Christians who were killed or converted at swordpoint when the Musliims conquered the Levant.

To this day, there are Palestinin families whose olive groves are still nurtured with the same tender care as they were a thousand years ago. Except, of course, when the Israelis burn them.

There were no such things as "palestinians" 100 years ago, let alone 1000.

I'd burn those groves too, if "palestinians" were shooting at me and other settlers from their confines.

"What is now Israel was largely depopulated by the 19th Century, and it was the Turks who began selling land to the Jews in the latter part of that Century." The first part of what you state here is unfortunately factually incorrect, the latter part is true

Wrong.

See: Palestine, a Land virtually laid waste with little population

In 1920, the demographic balance between Arabs (Christian and Muslim) and Jews in Palestine was at least 4-1.

The Muslim Turks had lost that land in a war of aggression. In 1917 Great Britain gave that land to the Jews in the Balfour Declaration, as was their prerogative. When the Jews gave up the land East of the Jordan in 1922, it amounted to 78% of the total land of the Transjordan.

78% to 22% is almost exactly 4 to 1. Not enough for the Arabs, though, and their bloodthirsty, Jew-hating ways continued through war after war to this day.

As far as chosen peoples go, God chooses different peoples to carry his word at different times. Once he chose the Jews, but the Jews rejected Jesus.

But we digress...

No, you digress.

The Promised Land was given to the Jews forever. They were warned by Moses that disobedience would lead to a scattering across the world, but that a remnant would be called back. After almost 2000 years, this has happened, exactly as prophesied, and you are denying the Word of God by your digressions.

this thread is about Jesus.

No, this thread is about charges of anti-Semitism swirling around "The Passion of the Christ."

Did you like the movie? I saw it with my Muslim relatives and my Catholic in-laws. Gibson was true to the Injeel (the Good News). Most movies about Christ are so sanitized they fail to inspire. This one was powerful. Mostly historically accurate. And the fluent Arabic speakers amongst my relatives loved the Aramaic as they picked up words and word roots here and there.

The movie was outstanding. I believe it's one of the last hopes for Christian revival in increasingly secular, increasingly Muslim, and increasingly anti-Semitic Europe.