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ambrose: "Any "Christian" who condemns Jews for the death of Jesus are repudiating their own religion which teaches that ALL OF MANKIND is responsible"

Ethan: Certainly the mantra of modern American judeochristianity, but it has nothing to do with historic Biblical Christianity or the facts of history.

According to this Jewish PC damage control that "ambrose" has taken in hook, line and sinker, St. Paul, St. John, St. Matthew, St. Luke, Ignatius...all "repudiated" the Christian faith. Maybe it's ambrose that repudiated it by virtue of his "fear of the Jews." Something which merits serious consideration.

Now, "ambrose" is going to kick and scream and huff and puff with bluster, and great piety, but he is not doing so againt me in any sense -- the facts are clear, direct and well-documented from the inspired New Testament and the early church fathers (indeed, from Ignatius, disciple of St. John). "ambrose" will kick against the New Testament and cry "foul" against the Apostles of our Lord.

St. Paul repudiating the Christian faith:

"For ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they have of the Jews: who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men." (1 Thessalonians 2:14-15).

St. Luke repudiating the Christian faith:

"The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified his servant Jesus. You handed him over to be killed, and you disowned him before Pilate, though he [Pilot] had decided to let him go. You disowned the Holy and Righteous One and asked that a murderer be released to you. You killed the author of life, but God raised him from the dead. We are witnesses of this." (Acts 3:13-15)

St. John repudiating the Christian faith (St. John records how it was...the Irish that sought to kill Christ... no wait, how it was "everyone" that wanted him killed...no, John wrote that the Jews sought to have Him killed:

"For this reason the Jews tried all the harder to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God" (John 5:18).

St. Matthew repudiating the Christian faith:

"When Jesus had finished saying all these things, he said to his disciples, "As you know, the Passover is two days away--and the Son of Man will be handed over to be crucified." Then the chief priests and the elders of the people assembled in the palace of the high priest, whose name was Caiaphas, and they plotted to arrest Jesus in some sly way and kill him. "But not during the Feast," they said, "or there may be a riot among the people" (Matthew 26:1-5).

St. Ignatius repudiating the Christian faith (St. Ignatius learned his Christian faith at the feet of St. John the apostle):

"The Word raised up again His own temple on the third day, when it had been destroyed by the Jews fighting against Christ. The Word, when His flesh was lifted up, after the manner of the brazen serpent in the wilderness, drew all men to Himself for their eternal salvation." (St. Ignatius of Antioch, Epistle of Ignatius to the Smyrnaeans. chapter. II "Christ's True Passion.")

"ambrose" has confused politically correct churchianity for a robust Biblical faith; the immense pressure of a feminized culture is obviously hard to resist for him, and "the fear of the Jews" (including fear of being branded "anti-semitic") exerts the same force today as it did in the first century.

Men of the Faith, Stand. Do not let the (massive) intimidation of anti-christs cause you to betray the Lord and deny the record of the New Testament. I bid you, whether it is approved or disapproved, Stand!

You have accurately presented the Biblical history regarding the execution of Christ from man's perspective.

Now let us view the Biblical spiritual view of Christ's death from God's perspective.

Gen 3:15
15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

The death of Christ is attributed to Satan, but not decisive in that it bruised His heel only. Jesus conquered death and is alive today.

Isa 53:10
10 Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin,

John 10:15
15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.

Rev 13:8
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Luke 23:46
46 And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.

Matt 26:1-2
1And it came to pass, when Jesus had finished all these sayings, he said unto his disciples,
2 Ye know that after two days is the feast of the passover, and the Son of man is betrayed to be crucified.

Another partial spiritual, partial historical.

John 19:11
11 Jesus answered, Thou couldest have no power at all against me, except it were given thee from above: therefore he that delivered me unto thee hath the greater sin.

You have hit on precisely why strict 5 point Calvinism is not true. There are two perspectives to reality.

God's perspective i.e. spiritual perspective (Our position of perfection in Christ despite our continuing sin, election by God of the saints which are given to the son by the father, Lamb slain from the foundation, God hardening Pharoh's heart, Pilate given authority by God, Past Present and future sins forgiven, better if Judas was never born...).

Man's perspective i.e. historical non-eternal perspective (Jesus as a historical Man the Father did not reveal the day or the hour of Christ's second coming, Pharoh hardening his own heart toward God, Jews culpable for killing Jesus, repentance and obedience, To Judas [And Jesus said unto him, Friend, wherefore art thou come?] one more chance to repent...)