Posted on 03/04/2004 10:24:16 PM PST by churchillbuff
Edited on 03/05/2004 10:48:45 AM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]
I can only presume that by calling me names like "Chippy" you and your fellow "Christians" have found a way to minimize and ridicule the hurt that Jews like myself feel being minimized in your Christian righteous Utopian existence.
Long may you live and rule to denigrate others in the minority like myself. Happy hunting for all you bigots.
Ethan: Certainly the mantra of modern American judeochristianity, but it has nothing to do with historic Biblical Christianity or the facts of history.
According to this Jewish PC damage control that "ambrose" has taken in hook, line and sinker, St. Paul, St. John, St. Matthew, St. Luke, Ignatius...all "repudiated" the Christian faith. Maybe it's ambrose that repudiated it by virtue of his "fear of the Jews." Something which merits serious consideration.
Now, "ambrose" is going to kick and scream and huff and puff with bluster, and great piety, but he is not doing so againt me in any sense -- the facts are clear, direct and well-documented from the inspired New Testament and the early church fathers (indeed, from Ignatius, disciple of St. John). "ambrose" will kick against the New Testament and cry "foul" against the Apostles of our Lord.
St. Paul repudiating the Christian faith:
"For ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they have of the Jews: who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men." (1 Thessalonians 2:14-15).
St. Luke repudiating the Christian faith:
"The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified his servant Jesus. You handed him over to be killed, and you disowned him before Pilate, though he [Pilot] had decided to let him go. You disowned the Holy and Righteous One and asked that a murderer be released to you. You killed the author of life, but God raised him from the dead. We are witnesses of this." (Acts 3:13-15)
St. John repudiating the Christian faith (St. John records how it was...the Irish that sought to kill Christ... no wait, how it was "everyone" that wanted him killed...no, John wrote that the Jews sought to have Him killed:
"For this reason the Jews tried all the harder to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God" (John 5:18).
St. Matthew repudiating the Christian faith:
"When Jesus had finished saying all these things, he said to his disciples, "As you know, the Passover is two days away--and the Son of Man will be handed over to be crucified." Then the chief priests and the elders of the people assembled in the palace of the high priest, whose name was Caiaphas, and they plotted to arrest Jesus in some sly way and kill him. "But not during the Feast," they said, "or there may be a riot among the people" (Matthew 26:1-5).
St. Ignatius repudiating the Christian faith (St. Ignatius learned his Christian faith at the feet of St. John the apostle):
"The Word raised up again His own temple on the third day, when it had been destroyed by the Jews fighting against Christ. The Word, when His flesh was lifted up, after the manner of the brazen serpent in the wilderness, drew all men to Himself for their eternal salvation." (St. Ignatius of Antioch, Epistle of Ignatius to the Smyrnaeans. chapter. II "Christ's True Passion.")
"ambrose" has confused politically correct churchianity for a robust Biblical faith; the immense pressure of a feminized culture is obviously hard to resist for him, and "the fear of the Jews" (including fear of being branded "anti-semitic") exerts the same force today as it did in the first century.
Men of the Faith, Stand. Do not let the (massive) intimidation of anti-christs cause you to betray the Lord and deny the record of the New Testament. I bid you, whether it is approved or disapproved, Stand!
On one hand you say you respect our religious beliefs but then on the other hand you post the above.
You are asking us to ignore the teachings of Jesus simply to assuage your sensibilities.
How is that respect?
No, you don't.
You will only respect a Christian's beliefs if they omit the part about Jesus being the Way and the Light.
You really need to admit that point before you can actually have an honest dialouge.
Hmmm...you are forgetting that Christians read not only the Torah, they read the rest of the Bible. How can you say that any of us as "non-Jews" don't have a frame of reference to discuss these issues with you.
Which begs the question as to whether you have read the entire Bible, Old and New Testament, to even have a frame of reference to discuss these issues.
I have yet to see anyone call you a fool or ignorant, though.
I've known only a few Lebanese and Palestinian Christians, and Christians of Lebanese and Palestinian descent--and these, sadly enough, were the only authentic antisemites I have ever known in America other than Muslims. (That is, their hatred of Jews was a foundation and feature of their worldview, not simply a matter of being occasionally annoyed, irritated, disappointed or offended.) I took my impression from that--and the stunning rapidity from which Bethlehem's evacuation has taken place in the last two or three years. I believe it had more to do with the occupation of the traditional nativity church than anything else--the writing on the wall.
Still, I believe Jews were safer with these sorts of neighbors than the Arabs who have since replaced them.
Tradtionalist, conservative Christians such as myself do not hold out much hope for a political or diplomatic solution for the "Palestinian Problem"--and a world/UN which found it OK for Muslims to occupy Serbian land will never find it OK for Jews to occupy Jewish land where Muslims happen to live. We know who wrote the deed, but haven't a clue who will enforce the title.
Suppose some organization (like ADL or Weisenthal or Krauthammer) came along and asked you your views on race, to which you gave an honest and satisfying answer. Then they required an affadavit, a loyalty oath, a statement from you not merely disagreeing with grandma but denouncing her.
Would you sign?
I think not. And I'd have some choice words for the pugugly little creeps that dared demand such a thing. But Mel Gibson merely politely refused instead of punching any lights out--I have to hand it to his restraint.
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