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Krauthammer: "Gibson's Blood Libel"
Washington Post ^ | Mar. 5, 04 | Charles Krauthammer

Posted on 03/04/2004 10:24:16 PM PST by churchillbuff

Edited on 03/05/2004 10:48:45 AM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

Gibson's Blood Libel

By Charles Krauthammer Friday, March 5, 2004; Page A23

Every people has its story. Every people has the right to its story. And every people has a responsibility for its story. ...[snip]

Christians have their story too: the crucifixion and resurrection of Christ. Why is this story different from other stories? Because it is not a family affair of coreligionists. If it were, few people outside the circle of believers would be concerned about it. This particular story involves other people. With the notable exception of a few Romans, these people are Jews. And in the story, they come off rather badly.

Because of that peculiarity, the crucifixion is not just a story; it is a story with its own story -- a history of centuries of relentless, and at times savage, persecution of Jews in Christian lands. This history is what moved Vatican II, in a noble act of theological reflection, to decree in 1965 that the Passion of Christ should henceforth be understood with great care so as to unteach the lesson that had been taught for almost two millennia: that the Jews were Christ killers.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: bigot; clueless; fool; gibson; krauthammer; liberalchristian; missingthemark; moron; moviereview; passion
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
No, I was responding to someone talking about 'blame games', and we all could just blame each other up and down until we are blue. The poster made the comment that the majority of commies in Russia, I think, were of Jewish heritage. So if we all want to be self-rightous, we could all blame another whole way.
"Chippy" immediately put that coat on.
God, this victim crap is starting to get really annoying.;-)

Hey, I'm a blonde Italian american. I'm going to hate Vikings for raping my ancestors. or the British. Or whoever the hell it was.
1,001 posted on 03/05/2004 10:36:42 PM PST by sfRummygirl ('The Purpose Driven Life' ;-))
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To: sfRummygirl
I'm glad you don't want to be converted, but just curious...have you ever spoken out to support us in the current climate that is very anti-Christian? Just wondering if you care about the prejudice against us.

The current climate seems to me to be very against traditional values in the abstract more then simply against Christians. I can tell you that I have spoken up against what I see as the persecution of the Boy Scouts because of their religious views. I am outraged at the attempt to strike the words "under God" from the pledge. I respect Christian and other religious values in our culture and am in no way a secular Jew.

What I resent is any undercurrent of the "my religion is right" and all others are wrong type of stuff. Lots of this comes from Muslims and Christians. None of this comes from Jews. We just want our religion to be left alone and our people to be free to live and worship in peace. What is so hard for you to understand?

1,002 posted on 03/05/2004 10:37:17 PM PST by SoCar (Huckabee's "Tax Me More Fund" needs to spread!)
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To: SoCar
Are you implying that I am a Communist because I am a Jew who disagrees with your Christian beliefs? Are Charles Krauthammer. Mona Charen, David From, and other Jewish Conservatives now considered unwanted "Communist" trolls because we have the nerve to disagree with Gibson's movie??

No, you range from overwrought to vitriolic.

You are all wrong in percieving anti-Semtism in "The Passion of the Christ."

Cheers


1,003 posted on 03/05/2004 10:37:33 PM PST by Sabertooth (Malcontent for Bush - 2004!)
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To: sfRummygirl
You're Italian-American? You should be outraged over the way Roman soldiers were portrayed in this film. ; )
1,004 posted on 03/05/2004 10:39:12 PM PST by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet ("Lashing out" at Democrats since 1990.)
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To: SoCar
I never said it was hard to understand. Did I try to convert you? Huh?
Nice try at dancing around the fact that you wouldn't directly help Christians, by the way.
1,005 posted on 03/05/2004 10:39:38 PM PST by sfRummygirl ('The Purpose Driven Life' ;-))
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To: SoCar
What I resent is any undercurrent of the "my religion is right" and all others are wrong type of stuff.

Don't you believe your religion is right?

1,006 posted on 03/05/2004 10:41:03 PM PST by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet ("Lashing out" at Democrats since 1990.)
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
Yeah, really. Especially when one of the soldiers threw the whip down on the lead Roman's desk. He said "Dui Fac".

That means 'two-faced'. That is still said in slang.

1,007 posted on 03/05/2004 10:41:47 PM PST by sfRummygirl ('The Purpose Driven Life' ;-))
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To: Romulus
...which one's election is determined according to posession of salvific knowledge.

Election is due to the Father and the Father alone. That's Bible-101.


1,008 posted on 03/05/2004 10:44:15 PM PST by rdb3 (The Servant of Jehovah is the Christ of Calvary and of the empty tomb.)
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To: sfRummygirl
This whole passion bashing garbage is getting old. If any of the chippies come back, just tell them to shut up. It's getting stale.
Good night everyone!
1,009 posted on 03/05/2004 10:45:20 PM PST by sfRummygirl ('The Purpose Driven Life' ;-))
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To: sfRummygirl
Good night, Rummygirl.
1,010 posted on 03/05/2004 10:48:27 PM PST by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet ("Lashing out" at Democrats since 1990.)
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To: sfRummygirl
Ok, breathe....breathe...remember that being Christian didn't mean it was going to be easy....there ya go rummygirl....

Thanks rummygirl.

1,011 posted on 03/05/2004 11:04:24 PM PST by DentsRun
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To: Sabertooth
Jews are all wrong and vitriolic in perceiving antisemitism where it doesn't exist. We must stop being so sensitive and emotional according to our Christian friends. I can't believe how overwrought we are!!

Cheers to our Christian friends and judges. Thanks for pointing out the error of our ways in your eyes. Best we sit back and take the slurs lest we appear overwrought. Thanks again.

1,012 posted on 03/05/2004 11:16:13 PM PST by SoCar (Huckabee's "Tax Me More Fund" needs to spread!)
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To: Wormwood
If Judaism preached that all Christians are fated to be spend eternity in the form of watermelon Gummi Bears, it wouldn't matter to me in the least.

We don't preach that so it is a moot point. At any rate, Jews are such a small minority that you can not comprehend what it is like to have the vast majority of people that you respect referring to what your beliefs are as not only "wrong," but doom you to the fires of hell. It does not so much matter to me as it does annoy me that this view is accepted as "mainstream" and in no way meant for Jews to take any offense. Can you not see that being in a small persecuted minority destined for extinction might make these disagreements a little more sensitive? Can you not comprehend that on your Christian majority protected perch?

1,013 posted on 03/05/2004 11:27:37 PM PST by SoCar (Huckabee's "Tax Me More Fund" needs to spread!)
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To: SoCar
Jews are all wrong and vitriolic in perceiving antisemitism where it doesn't exist.

If you perceive what doesn't exist, you are probably wrong, no?

Whether or not you are vitriolic about it is an individual matter.

We must stop being so sensitive and emotional according to our Christian friends. I can't believe how overwrought we are!!

No, you should not be quite so paranoid.

Not everyone is your enemy.

Cheers to our Christian friends and judges. Thanks for pointing out the error of our ways in your eyes. Best we sit back and take the slurs lest we appear overwrought. Thanks again.

Straw man.

No one's talking about you taking slurs.
We're talking about you imagining them.


1,014 posted on 03/05/2004 11:33:31 PM PST by Sabertooth (Malcontent for Bush - 2004!)
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
What I resent is any undercurrent of the "my religion is right" and all others are wrong type of stuff. Don't you believe your religion is right?

Of course I believe that my religion is right. That is not the point oh righteous one. Believe whatever you want, I respect that. However, I will not sit back silently while Christians declare that they are the ones who are "right" and Jews must accept Christ as their savior or be destined to hell. I'll leave it to G-d to judge and not be so presumptuous.

I must say that it is my belief that whoever is right or wrong in the Christ debate is of little consequence to the Almighty. He will accept all that are truly good and not condemn those that meant well but were "wrong" in their Christ beliefs to eternal damnation..

G-d is more benevolent and true in my religion then yours. I will never accept any intolerant Christian ways, thankfully.

1,015 posted on 03/05/2004 11:42:14 PM PST by SoCar (Huckabee's "Tax Me More Fund" needs to spread!)
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To: Sabertooth
You as a non Jew have no clue and never will. Take your insulting rhetoric and stuff it. You are, and will continue to remain completely without any understanding what so ever.

Say goodbye you ignorant fool.

1,016 posted on 03/05/2004 11:51:34 PM PST by SoCar (Huckabee's "Tax Me More Fund" needs to spread!)
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To: SoCar; Sabertooth
Of course I believe that my religion is right.

So, it's okay for you to believe your religion is right, but if I believe mine is, I'm intolerant (and we all know tolerance is everything!) and arrogant.

Okey dokey.

Interesting that you think God is "more benevolent and true" in your view than in mine. I would never have said that to you. I wouldn't have even thought of saying it. And for the record - I believe God is very benevolent...so benevolent that He sent His only Son to die for my sake.

For someone who seems to play the victim card with ease, you sure can fling it.

1,017 posted on 03/05/2004 11:54:00 PM PST by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet ("Lashing out" at Democrats since 1990.)
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
So, it's okay for you to believe your religion is right, but if I believe mine is, I'm intolerant (and we all know tolerance is everything!) and arrogant.

Because it needed to be repeated.

In bold.

1,018 posted on 03/06/2004 12:02:33 AM PST by Wormwood (Stand! Men of the West!)
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To: Wormwood
Unbelievable, huh?
1,019 posted on 03/06/2004 12:05:15 AM PST by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet ("Lashing out" at Democrats since 1990.)
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
Sadly, no.
1,020 posted on 03/06/2004 12:06:53 AM PST by Wormwood (Stand! Men of the West!)
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