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You show no evidence at all, no 990's nothing, refuting the claim that the tides foundation does not "fund" and of these organizations and I saw no references in your book (only 7 hits to the word foundation) backing up what you said regarding that the tides foundation does not "contribute" to the aforementioned foundations and NGO's.

Nice dodge, but it won't work. Here is what you posted:

"Here are a few notable nonprofits started, managed or funded by Tides":

"Started, managed, or funded by," clearly implies that Tides supposedly played a seminal role in the startup, operation, and funding of the listed organizations. They didn't. A good many of those organizations existed before Tides was even founded. Sure Tides launders money from their contributors (primarily Pew) and I never said that they didn't, but Tides isn't a critical source for any but the EWG and the Ruckus Society and even then they primarily launder money from donors not wishing to be directly associated with the recipients.

So you come back saying that I hadn't proven that Tides hadn't made donations, when that doesn't address what I had said in response to your post! Your response lacks integrity.

As far as sources refuting your contentions are concerned, here is what Drummond Pike says about their history;

By the end of 1981, Tides Foundation stepped into full independence and rented offices with Lyman Casey's Bothin Helping Fund - all 1.75 FTEs of us.

So here we have what you tell us was a foundation capable of helping GreenPIECE or the NRDC get started when it didn't even have TWO full time employees until the 1980s.

I already posted an example, with a link for you about the NRDC that you clearly didn't read in its entirety. That post lists the top sources of NRDC funding over the last ten years (with a source link). Tides isn't even in the top thirty of the list of NRDC's contributors.

Here is ,a href="http://www.nrdc.org/media/default.asp">what the NRDC says about their origins at the bottom of every single press release they publish:

The Natural Resources Defense Council is a national, nonprofit organization of scientists, lawyers and environmental specialists dedicated to protecting public health and the environment. Founded in 1970, NRDC has more than 1 million members and e-activists nationwide, served from offices in New York, Washington, Santa Monica and San Francisco.

As for GreenPIECE you can simply go to their site, thusly. It says:

In fact, the nuclear weapons threat is what prompted the international organization to be founded in 1971.

I'm not going to bother doing any more of your homework on the rest of those organizations for you when the facts are that easy to find.

My book only references Tides in terms of their participation in the coho listing on the West Coast as proof that I have been writing about them for some time. It doesn't go into their funding. If you don't think I've been writing about Tides for some time, or that I am a credible source, ask Grampa Dave; sauropod; farmfriend; sasquatch; forester; marsh2...

So you come back saying that I hadn't proven that Tides hadn't made donations, when that doesn't address what I had said in response to your post! Your response lacks integrity. >>>

are you pinging your cheerleading squad?

In post 19 you tried to refute the capital research center's statement in post 1, here it is:

Here are a few notable nonprofits started, managed or funded by Tides: the Natural Resources Defense Council, Greenpeace, Union of Concerned Scientists, Environmental Working Group and the Ruckus Society. The Tides Foundation continues to fund many of these groups, which are in the forefront of left-wing activism.

started, managed OR funded by tides, your tirade in post 19 went to say the article stated that the tides started these SRO's. It didn't say that, the word OR was used where they stated that the tides f. managed, started OR funded these, I believe them and NOT YOU!

You are NO expert and never showed any evidence backing up your statement that the tides f. did nor did not fund such organizations, you showed no proof, no form 990's, nothing.

Please, next time notice a sentence and see if the word OR is used, they did not say the tides f. started greenpeace, they stated that the tides f. either managed OR donated to such NGO's.

I will trust the capital research center rather than you.
http://www.capitalresearch.org/
they seem to be more organized and resourceful than you.
http://www.capitalresearch.org/about/
and they seem to have much more people who know what they are talking about than you
http://www.capitalresearch.org/about/bios.asp

And I'll say it again, get off your high horse and write Terrence Scanlon, President, Capital Research Center (whose .pdf research paper I posted in thread 1) and tell him how wrong he is since you are the self-appointed expert in this field writng about the Tides Foundation for two whole years. And please post his response to you admitting his research is wrong on this thread, thank you. I am not going to hold my breath since the capital resarch center is in a league above you and are probably right with the information described in their research paper in post 1.

I have been monitoring Carry Okie's work for close to 4 years now.

His data comes from the sources, and that drives the supporters of the Green Jihadists even more insane.

He has documented the Tides and their donations to fake science like the Coho non problem on the West Coast for a long time, (The Tides have funded bad science saying that there was a Coho problem thanks to farmers,ranchers, sport fishers and others). There have been so many Coho in Oregon and Washington the past 3 years that limits are up to 3 a day on non native Coho. I have had Fish and Game people chide me for releasing a non native Coho.

Anyone who supports the Tides is not a conservative and is a mole on Free Republic. Their paycheck probably depends on the Tides. The Tides has been serving a huge money laundering machine for a long time.