[Euro-American Scum]

Work done 6,000(?) miles away, with only phone access (or, heaven forbid, get on a 747 and fly 15 hours), in a third-world country with a different culture, graduating from colleges you know nothing about, is RISKY. Plus, there's that whole problematic software as a strategic asset thing.

Ah, but they're not graduating from foreign universities. At least not all of them. Visit your local neighborhood university one of these days, and take a walk through the quad of an engineering or computer science department, and tell me if you hear the English language spoken.

Those cheap third world tech workers are being educated right here, underwritten by either their government or our own, or a combination of both.

[flaglady47]

"Work done 6,000(?) miles away, with only phone access (or, heaven forbid, get on a 747 and fly 15 hours), in a third-world country with a different culture, graduating from colleges you know nothing about, is RISKY. Plus, there's that whole problematic software as a strategic asset thing."

"Ah, but they're not graduating from foreign universities. At least not all of them. Visit your local neighborhood university one of these days, and take a walk through the quad of an engineering or computer science department, and tell me if you hear the English language spoken.

Those cheap third world tech workers are being educated right here, underwritten by either their government or our own, or a combination of both."

Now my opinion on this subject:
Boy, you may not know just how right you are Euro-American Scum. I work for a major urban university in Chicago (UIC), and I can attest to just how many 3rd world students make up our student body, mostly in the areas of mathematics, engineering,and computer science, as well as medical. Many stay right here in the U.S., and parlay their F-1 student status into H1-B visas, and then greencards (permanent residency) with willing U.S. companies or universities, hiring them right and left. The others go home with the knowledge gained at our universities, and many then get the outsourced U.S. jobs back in their own countries. Nice gig for the foreigners, bad gig for U.S. workers. It's really a lot worse than you may think. Makes me sick.

There IS no level playing field between U.S. workers and foreign workers. That's the problem, the game isn't being played fair, what with tariffs and other governmental supports that foreign countries use, while we do not give our own workers equal support. All you can do to your own U.S. workforce following this game plan, is to push the middle class workers into lower class ones, unable to purchase all those foreign-made imports, and thus our economy slows down to a crawl, eventually. Plus, too much of our manufacturing base has gone overseas; so what happens when the next major war breaks out, and we don't have the manufacturing base to support it, because a bunch of it is now overseas? Huh? We'd really have to kick butt to get back up to steam manufacturing-wise, and we better hope that we'd have the time to do it before we ended up in deep trouble. Hope our government figures out one day that globalism and all-out free trade can be detrimental to our own country's economic health.

This outsourcing is of "good" higher paying jobs, not just the blue collar manufacturing jobs, so the middle class is finding it's love of free trade dwindling rapidly, as they feel increasingly vulnerable in the workplace. Their job could be next. Bush could lose over this outsourcing issue, and believe me the Dems will be pounding the jobs issue feverishly for the next 8 months.

[searchandrecovery]

Those cheap third world tech workers are being educated right here, underwritten by either their government or our own, or a combination of both.

True. But I imagine the vast majority of potential workers live in India and graduate from Indian IT departments (I wish I knew the numbers, U.S. (foreign born) vs. India IT grads).

[Poohbah]

Ah, but they're not graduating from foreign universities. At least not all of them. Visit your local neighborhood university one of these days, and take a walk through the quad of an engineering or computer science department, and tell me if you hear the English language spoken.

Yes, I do, all the time. Usually, the foreign students are more proficient in English than the American students.