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Global nightmare: Saving the LOST
World Net Daily ^ | March 4, 2004 | Jane Chastain

Posted on 03/04/2004 8:04:55 AM PST by hedgetrimmer

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To: JimRed
Taxation is not possible without the threat of force. The mighty U.N. Navy, I take it, will be the enforcement arm?

The IRS has never had a problem enforcing payment of taxes and if the U.S. signs a treaty agreeing to pay taxes to the UN taxes will be payed to the UN. The agencies of collection and enforcement are already in place.

61 posted on 03/06/2004 9:32:34 AM PST by TigersEye (Carrying a gun is a social obligation.)
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To: TigersEye
The IRS has never had a problem enforcing payment of taxes...

Exactly, by threat of force; pay or go to prison.

...and if the U.S. signs a treaty agreeing to pay taxes to the UN taxes will be paid to the UN.

If the U.S signs such a treaty, the U.S. as we know it will have ceased to exist. This is the primary reason to reject liberals, socialists and communists (forgive the redundancy).

62 posted on 03/06/2004 9:45:03 AM PST by JimRed (Fight election fraud! Volunteer as a local poll watcher, challenger or district official.)
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To: JimRed
If the U.S signs such a treaty, the U.S. as we know it will have ceased to exist.

Right. And then we laugh mockingly at them, I followed you that far, then what do we do?

63 posted on 03/06/2004 11:57:01 AM PST by TigersEye (Carrying a gun is a social obligation.)
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To: TigersEye
Sorry I didn't make it more clear; we laugh mockingly at them when they ask us to sign the stupid treaty!
64 posted on 03/06/2004 1:49:51 PM PST by JimRed (Fight election fraud! Volunteer as a local poll watcher, challenger or district official.)
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To: JimRed
They aren't going to ask us to sign it, they aren't even going to tell us that they did.

You seem to have missed some of the salient points of the article. The Senate Committee on Foreign Relations has already approved it under the stewardship of Sen. Lugar who refused to allow any dissenting testimony. When called the staff in his office replies "we are not allowed to comment on that subject." Sen. Lugar is pushing for Bill Frist to call for a unanimous consent vote on it. That occurs with a show of hands and no recorded vote IIRC. From there it needs one more signature, the Presidents.

As Frank Gaffney sees it the Pres. himself is probably unaware of the full scope of this treaty and it appears that members of his administration, including Dick Cheney, are in favor of it due to parts of the treaty that are quite attractive and even positive.

It is more than halfway accomplished with only three published articles about it. In short, now is the time to stop it or forever hold our peace and it seems that no more than half a dozen FReepers consider it the least bit important.

65 posted on 03/06/2004 2:54:13 PM PST by TigersEye (Carrying a gun is a social obligation.)
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To: hedgetrimmer
HOLY!.. Convoluted ZigZaging Conspiracy's BATMAN...
66 posted on 03/06/2004 3:27:52 PM PST by hosepipe
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To: TigersEye
seems that no more than half a dozen FReepers consider it the least bit important.

Isn't it time to get out the PING lists, and get some other boards? Maybe email Limbaugh, Hannity or O'Reilly?

Surely its time to request your senator force a vote, and then vote no. If you haven't called or emailed, its time to get on the stick.
67 posted on 03/06/2004 4:44:20 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: Bikers4Bush
It doesn't matter who we put in office. They are all UN loving, globalist, socialist scumbags.

Cute isn't it? It's all about how you prefer your control . . . with a side of democrat or a side of republican?

68 posted on 03/06/2004 4:50:34 PM PST by realpatriot71 ("But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise . . ." (I Cor. 1:27))
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To: Ribeye
They don't even try to hide it.

They don't have to anymore - America is too polarized now. They do what they want all the time asking, "So? Who were you planning on voting for instead?"

69 posted on 03/06/2004 4:52:43 PM PST by realpatriot71 ("But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise . . ." (I Cor. 1:27))
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To: Mikey
Some kind of totalitarian controlling global government has been in the works since Wilson's failed "League of Nations" just waiting for the right political climate to take control. It's here; it's happening, and no one cares or notices.
70 posted on 03/06/2004 5:05:12 PM PST by realpatriot71 ("But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise . . ." (I Cor. 1:27))
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To: realpatriot71
People don't know. You would expect that the newspapers and journalists would be all over this. But of course, the major financial newspaper, the Wall street journal, the economist are all for globalism, out of greed or ignorance I think. So, the word isn't getting out through them.

Then the minions like to come in and mock anyone who tries to tell the truth-- saying they are just conspiracy kooks. I personally know a woman who has been traveling to UN summits and G8 summits since 1996. She has faithfully reported what she has seen and heard, but no ones wants to hear it. She purchases copies of their books and papers and has an extensive collection of their writings, starting with the summit on the environment at Rio de Janeiro.She has been a guest speaker on local radio a couple of times, but the minions always call up and try to denigrate her, never trying to talk about the issues, just personal attacks.

So the rest of the population just writes off the information off as "tall tales".

We had better get urgent in our presentation and do it fast, so the public gets that this is NO joke.
71 posted on 03/06/2004 5:17:31 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: hedgetrimmer
You would expect that the newspapers and journalists would be all over this. But of course, the major financial newspaper, the Wall street journal, the economist are all for globalism, out of greed or ignorance I think. So, the word isn't getting out through them

All media is owned by globalists and their corporations - look at Murdock and Turner. Do we get the straight schtick from the right or left media - nopers. It the rich against the world.

We had better get urgent in our presentation and do it fast, so the public gets that this is NO joke.

Too late - the "public" will never see the light of this. However, individuals can do whatever we can to let people know on an individual basis and FR is probably as a good a place as any.

72 posted on 03/06/2004 5:26:43 PM PST by realpatriot71 ("But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise . . ." (I Cor. 1:27))
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To: hedgetrimmer
Surely its time to request your senator force a vote, and then vote no. If you haven't called or emailed, its time to get on the stick.

You're right. The good thing about a unanimous consent vote is that one dissenter, one nay vote, and it is blocked. FWIW I'll call Leahy and Jeffords on Monday.

As for Rush, I love him but he never touchs anything that smacks of "NWO", not usually. He does occasionally say something about giving up sovereignty to the UN so I suppose it's worth a shot. Hannity is the same I think. Who can guess what O'Reilly will think? If he decided it was an issue for him he would be a bulldog.

They are all worth a shot. I will compose an intro with links to send them in the morning. The more who do that the more likely they will see it and consider it.

73 posted on 03/06/2004 5:56:32 PM PST by TigersEye (Carrying a gun is a social obligation.)
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To: holdonnow
What do you think of this story? Here are links to two more articles about it.

Law Of The Sea By Dark Of Night By Paul M. Weyrich March 3, 2004

John Kerry’s Treaty - Outsourcing sovereignty

Would you care to throw us some opinions?

74 posted on 03/06/2004 6:14:39 PM PST by TigersEye (Carrying a gun is a social obligation.)
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To: hedgetrimmer
"We had better get urgent in our presentation and do it fast, so the public gets that this is NO joke."

I predict the people will finally get it when Agenda 21 and all the other UN -American NEW WORLD ORDER SOCIALISTIC crappola is in full swing. Than the people will start in with comments like, 'why didn't somebody do something' or 'how come we never heard of this stuff before', bla bla bla.

It never ceases to amaze me at how our forefathers with no telephones, radios, internet, televisions, etc. etc. etc. were able to get the messages out to the masses and call forth the rallying cry to liberty.

I guess the difference with them back than and with us now is that they lived under the tyranny and that it was in your face out in the open. Whereas the people of this country (in modern times) have been way too complacent within their gilded cages for so long they could care less whether they actually have liberty or not. They (blindly) take it for granted as they go to the DMV to get their travel permits (aka drivers license). Pay their yearly tribute (aka, property taxes) to the STATE for allowing them to live in what they perceive is their home, and all the other UN -Constitutional licenses and permits they believe is necessary in order to carry out their lives in the land of the once free.

One of the main problems we have is the media and the courts.

"There is no such thing, at this date of the world's history, in America as an independent press. You know it and I know it. There is not one of you who dares to write your honest opinions, and if you did, you know beforehand that it would never appear in print.
I am paid weekly for keeping my honest opinions out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for similar things, and any of you who would be so foolish as to write honest opinions would be out on the streets looking for another job. If I allowed my honest opinions to appear in one issue of my paper, before twenty- four hours my occupation would be gone.

The business of the journalists is to destroy the truth; to lie outright; to pervert; to vilify; to fawn at the feet of mammon, and to sell his country and his race for his daily bread. You know it and I know it and what folly is this toasting an independent press?

We are the tools and vassals of rich men behind the scenes.

We are jumping jacks, they pull the strings and we dance. Our talents, our possibilities and our lives are all the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes."


John Swinton, former Chief of staff for the New York Times. Called by his peers “The Dean of His profession.” He stated the above when He was asked to give a toast before the New York Press Club in 1953.

"The great object of my fear is the federal judiciary. That body, like gravity, ever acting, with noiseless foot, and unalarming advance, gaining ground step by step, and holding what it gains, is engulfing insidiously the special governments into the jaws of that which feeds them. ... It has long, however, been my opinion, and I have never shrunk from its expression...that the germ of dissolution of our federal government is in the constitution of the federal Judiciary; ...working like gravity by night and by day, gaining a little today and a little tomorrow, and advancing its noiseless step like a thief, over the field of jurisdiction, until all shall be usurped. ... The judiciary of the United States is the subtle corps of sappers and miners constantly working under ground to undermine the foundations of our confederated fabric. They are construing our Constitution from a coordination of a general and special government to a general and supreme one alone."

--Thomas Jefferson

Herein is where I believe the people will finally wake up. When they can't afford their big screen tv's, new cars, etc. Than they'll wake up but, by than it'll be to late.

"The Constitution will never be restored by appeals to Idealism or Patriotism. It might only be restored IF the people believe it is to their personal economic advantage to do so.”

-- Mark Felton, political philospher and activist

75 posted on 03/06/2004 7:43:09 PM PST by Mikey
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To: Mikey
"Iceberg..."
76 posted on 03/06/2004 8:25:06 PM PST by TigersEye (Carrying a gun is a social obligation.)
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Iceberg, you idiots!

77 posted on 03/06/2004 8:30:45 PM PST by TigersEye (You can't hit what you can't see. /sarcasm)
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To: TigersEye
It's interesting that Sen. Luger even asks Majority Leader Frist for a unanimous consent vote.
That indicates that he expects he can get one.

Having been paying attention to what Colorado's senators are doing since we got married, my cowboy, I wonder if Senators Wayne Allard and Ben Nighthorse Campbell, who both received the 'Hero of the American Taxpayer' Award from Grover Norquist, President of Americans for Tax Reform, could be the dissenting voices we hope to hear on LOST? In order to be considered for this award, members of Congress must consistently vote with and represent the interests of American taxpayers. LOST is not in the interest of American taxpayers, to say the least.

Contact these two senators and others by this link.

Here is my letter to Sen. Allard:

To the Honorable Senator from Colorado, Wayne Allard,

I understand that Sen. Luger has brought out of committee TREATY DOC 103-39, and that he has asked Majority Leader Bill Frist for a "unanimous consent" vote on this Law of the Sea Treaty.

As I read it, LOST gives the United Nations new power to subvert our Constitution, institute new taxes, and control sea travel, exploration and harvesting of resources within 12 miles of our shores.

Therefore in the interest of American Sovereignty and to deny the U.N. the power to tax American citizens, please be the dissenting voice for the American People in the Senate on this nightmare treaty, which President Reagan rightly assigned to the ash heap of history.

Thank you for your service not only to Colorado but to all of America.


78 posted on 03/07/2004 3:52:18 AM PST by .30Carbine
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To: hedgetrimmer
Here is my letter to Sen. Campbell of Colorado:

To the Honorable Senator from Colorado, Ben Nighthorse Campbell,

Congratulations on earning the "Hero of the Taxpayer" award from ATR! I am writing in reference to a new assault on the American taxpayers brought forth by Sen. Luger.

As Chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee Sen. Dick Lugar (R-IN) has revived TREATY DOC 103-39, and has asked Majority Leader Bill Frist for a "unanimous consent" vote on this Law of the Sea Treaty.

As I read it, LOST gives the United Nations new power to subvert our Constitution, institute new taxes, and control sea travel, exploration and harvesting of resources within 12 miles of our shores.

Therefore in the best interests of America - to deny the U.N. the power to tax American citizens - please be the loudly dissenting voice for the American People in the Senate on this new form of taxation and backdoor thievery of American Sovereignty.

With many thanks for your service to America

(I think there may be a glitch in his email program; I submitted this letter 4 times!)
79 posted on 03/07/2004 3:53:34 AM PST by .30Carbine
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To: TigersEye
gotta luv white font ( ;
80 posted on 03/07/2004 3:58:14 AM PST by .30Carbine
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