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To: mabelkitty; All
To Mabel's #12 "He's a liar. Bush doesn't need to spend that cash on Kerry. This hasn't been sewn up yet. She's still waiting in the wings for Kerry to screw it up bad and quit. How in the hell can he say she has a chance at VP slot and yet in the same breath say Kerry hasn't been vetted and is super-liberal?? Does he not see the irony of this statement? Clintons have the intern stuff and will unload it on him. Morris is trying to spread into the American psyche that Hillary is a moderate."

There are some sound thoughts here. Kerry does not have the nomination yet--he has not got a majority of the pledged delegates yet and endorse him though Dean, Edwards, and others have, if he turns into a contest before he has a majority, it is still a contest.

Kerry in fact has a number of defects--Morris is correct. Not just that he is a consistent extreme liberal with an indefensible voting record. The intern issue is still hanging over his head--and it is not that he had an affair with her, he did something to her "worse" which in due course will likely out, together with other of Kerry's problems. In many way, if you were running George II's campaign, Kerry is probably the Dem you would prefer to face out of the group.

I am one of those who has consistently predicted that Mrs. Clinton will be the nominee--so if she is not, I am wrong with the rest. My view was predicated on a deadlock; I suppose a deadlock that results from Kerry having a problem before he sews up the nomination is just a version of that possibility.

Mrs. Clinton has a problem with her present position--Bush has looked vunerable; if she does not run and Kerry wins it will be a long time before she gets a shot, if ever.

Under circumstances where even if Kerry runs and loses, she has a senate race in 2006 against Guliani which current polls show her trailing by 10 points. She might well lose.

So Slick Bill and his wife have been chasing the Kerry people to try to get the Vice Presidential nomination. Last week, they quit. Some people I know in DC who are close to the Republican establishment say the reason they have quit is because there is a very strong drift to promote Cheney from Vice President to a "more meaningful public role" and replace him with Guliani.

Guliani puts New York in play, helps in the polls at least in Penn; Ohio; Ill; as well as even in NJ. Does two things for Mrs. Clinton: Relects George II which leaves the White House open in 08; and, gets Rudy out of her senate race if that analysis plays out.

The Kerry not vetted yet is broader that just that he is a super-liberal. The press will help him cover that up. But he just has so many problems that have not yet been discussed, it is difficult to view him as a serious candidate.

For example his proposition that instead of making war on the terrorists, we ought to engage them in a dialogue. The guy who runs airplanes into the buildings at the center of your economic system does not exactly seem like the kind of guy you open discussions with except at the point of a gun. This kind of foreign policy view is liberal, only in the sense that Nelville Chamberlin was a Liberal. It won't sell in a Presidential campaign, not because it is a liberal policy, but because it is foolish.

Kerry has lots of this kind of stuff in his record and he just is not going to overcome it.

Mrs. Clinton's personal liberalism is not her driving political motivation. She is simply after power and she will do whatever it takes to get there. She might well be a good choice for VP (except that the President who takes her in that roll needs to wear a bullet proof vest and keep his food taster close); but if the race looks winable, she and her husband still have an outside shot at the top--and they will make a political calculation about the liklihood that Rudy will replace Cheney on the Republican ticket because if he does, she probably is not interested.

68 posted on 03/02/2004 7:12:23 PM PST by David
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To: David
Well like it has been said

" Politics ain't beanbag "

Just wish Bush knew that
72 posted on 03/02/2004 7:17:08 PM PST by uncbob
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To: David
Interesting Brit Hume interview with Cheney tonight. Cheney discussed Kerry's voting record on defense appropriations over the past twenty years. (Kerry never met a defense weapons system he liked.) Cheney was direct and relentless in his analysis and what it would mean if Botoxboy won the presidency. (We'd be defenseless and naked as jaybirds as fast as Kerry could arrange it.) Cheney is the point man on negative stuff; that's his job during the campaign, and he does it very well. We couldn't get a better vp.
92 posted on 03/02/2004 7:43:21 PM PST by hershey
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To: David
Putting Guliani into play as VP also sets him up for 2008, don't you think? He is VERY popular with the whole country since 9/11, and if Osama gets found this year before the election, this could be a strong pairing and a definate blockade for the witch in 2008.
Taking Cheney out of VP and putting him in as Sec of State and making Powell some sort of Ambassador at large would be a strong move, IMPO.
I have been troubled by Powell's dancing all over the plate on too many important issues. I never could figure out if he was mouthing Bush's stance, or if he was off the reservation. I think Cheney could put a little more spine into some of our positions.
Powell would make a good "General" in getting after Syria with Saddam's money, weapons, and other items. Also, ARAFAT cannot keep breathing forever. All Hell is going to break loose there and keeping Powell steadfastly by the side of Israel could be helpful.
The leader of N Korea isn't going to live forever, either. Working out a relief solution for the starving N Koreans who will still be there when he kicks the bucket would be another strong place for Powell. South Korea CANNOT absorb millions of starving, undereducated and basically unemployable people. They have to be brought back to self-sustaining abilities.
93 posted on 03/02/2004 7:43:29 PM PST by ridesthemiles (ridesthemiles)
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To: David; Peach; Howlin
Serious ping.
95 posted on 03/02/2004 7:46:14 PM PST by txhurl (Seriously uplifting ping, actually!)
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To: David
Rudy will NEVER replace Cheney as V.P.!

I know,I know........the Clintons are capable of doing anything and there was that craziness with the Torch and Lousenburg,but my political guts (which have yet to be wrong!)and knowledge, precludes Hillary being anointed in Boston.Neither will she run as Kerry's V.P.! She wants '08.Gerry Ferraro's being V.P. on a losing ticket,is a good example to look at and there's still far too much dirt,hanging onto the Clintons,for the populace to forget about/ignore...just now.

Dickie hasn't been right about a single thing, since he was outed as the TOE SUCKER! But like a lot of posters to FR, he imagines that acting as though he is an " expert ",others will believe him. LOL

106 posted on 03/02/2004 8:01:08 PM PST by nopardons
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To: David
Washington thrives on rumors- but Cheney isn't going anywhere.

Hillary will do well this election whatever happens.

110 posted on 03/02/2004 8:05:38 PM PST by mrsmith ("Oyez, oyez! All rise for the Honorable Chief Justice... Hillary Rodham Clinton ")
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To: David
Mrs. Clinton has never been vetted in the mainstream.
156 posted on 03/02/2004 9:52:44 PM PST by des
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To: David
Rudy can do well in NY .. period!

And .. Cheney is the VP .. period!

How would you know that the Clintons were chasing Kerry for the VP slot ..?? And .. how would you know they stopped ..?? Even if they did .. why does that mean anything about Cheney and/or Rudy ..?? Your logic escapes me.
174 posted on 03/02/2004 11:37:23 PM PST by CyberAnt (The 2004 Election is for the SOUL of AMERICA)
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