R&D Starts to Move Offshore - Outsourcing evolves beyond low-wage programming jobs

ComputerWorld ^ | 3/1/2004 | Patrick Thibodeau and Sumner Lemon

[Cronos]

Giving them a path into the first world also benefits us

Quite right, and what better proof than our ally in Asia -- Japan? THe Asians have long memories, along with their long lived civilisations and Japan won't forget that it was the US that made it the state it is todya.

[Cronos]

What worked when we were a small, poor nation in the 1700s will not work in the 2000s...

[Cronos]

They impose rules on trade that are not fair, but a one way street. They often give the advantage to "least developed countries" in their trade decisions, instead of fairly determining trade rules. That is, when it comes to a trade policy that pits a "least developed countries" against a "rich country", they will allow the "least developed countries" to impose tariffs to protect their producers, at the same time fining "rich countries" for having tariffs against the "least developed countries" goods.

The WTO has ruled in favour of the US as well, look it up.

[null and void]

Color me shocked...

[null and void]

Naw, I prefer to listen to Texas_Dawg. He tells me we'll all be sports-team owners.

And stock traders, don't forget stock traders...

[Doohickey]

Maybe we can get together and start a joint venture to train formerly productive people to become government functionaries and general drains on society.

[null and void]

I admire your steadfast unremitting unwillingness to observe your surrounding reality.

[Cronos]

OTTAWA, Jan 16 (Reuters) - A World Trade Organization panel has ruled the United States was within its rights to impose anti-dumping duties against softwood lumber imports from Canada, a Canadian official said on Friday.

After a long series of back-and-forth negotiations and further pro-US rulings from the WTO, the United States has now been authorised to undertake retaliation to the tune of $191.4 million against Europe in connection with the banana case. Under WTO rules, the United States has the right to impose countervailing sanctions against European imports in industries totally unrelated to the dispute. The United States has chosen to impose 100% tariffs on a range of European luxury imports, hoping that the affected industries will become internal lobbyists in the EU for a change in Europe's banana policy.

The WTO is reviled in developing nations papers as being a tool of the developed nations and vice-versa. Hence it's doing a good job as an impartial board -- not favourable to either.

[null and void]

Maybe you are right but maybe you are not. But in terms of this election does it matter. I have talked to about ten fellow it professionals and none are happy with the outsourcing. All either have or know someone who has lost their jobs. It will affect how they vote. This issue will be big in this election. ~ TXBSAFH

Yes. People aren't apt to forget they are unemployed when the step into the voter's booth.

Someone must pay.

And the (false) promises of more jobs from the opposition are a seductive siren call even to those who know better...

[hedgetrimmer]

These negotiations shall take fully into account the special needs and interests of developing and least-developed countries, and recognize that these countries do not need to match or reciprocate in full tariff-reduction commitments by other participants.

Some technical assistance is targeted specifically for least-developed countries. The Doha Declaration urges WTO member donors to significantly increase their contributions.

The Doha round, WTO

THE HIPC DEBT INITIATIVE

Was proposed by the World Bank and IMF and agreed by governments around the world in the fall of 1996. It was the first comprehensive approach to reduce the external debt of the world's poorest, most heavily indebted countries, and represented an important step forward in placing debt relief within an overall framework of poverty reduction

The plan to redistribute our wealth to "least developed countries". This is a one way street for our tax dollars.

[hedgetrimmer]

How is it Constitutional that the WTO is granting "rights"?
Enquiring minds want to know.

[Cronos]

The US could impose sanctions on it's own, so could any other bloc/nation. This would return the world to the closed economies before GATT. The WTO exists to prevent that, to give nations an impartial arbitrator who can say: it's fair or not. If the WTO rules in favour of a country, it's just giving legal weight to that country to impose sanctions, nothing more.

[null and void]

Its going to fall further, much further, as techies in industry now (or who have lost their jobs) steer their own college bound children into other fields because they see what is going on.

*sigh* Yeah. I'm at a total loss as to where to steer my kids.

What job can't be outsourced? What job is immune to insourcing with call-it-anything-but-an-amnesty-amnesty "guest workers?

I know of only one, President of the United States.

And Ahhhhhnold is working on eliminating the native born Constitutional restriction from that job...

[Cronos]

It was the first comprehensive approach to reduce the external debt of the world's poorest, most heavily indebted countries, and represented an important step forward in placing debt relief within an overall framework of poverty reduction

Oh, so you'd prefer it if the cruddiest states went under because of incredible debt? Like the Weimar Republic? I do grant you that this needs to be done carefully, with pressure brought on the countries given this to shape up. You want Mozambique to pay up all it's debts, no matter if it takes it about 100 years to do so? Perpetual slavery?

[null and void]

What worked when we were a small, poor nation in the 1700s will not work in the 2000s...

Then you favor scrapping the Constitution and starting over? Sorta killing the living document?...

[Cronos]

I'm talking about tariffs......

[oceanview]

well, sales and marketing, even in tech companies, is a good place to be. what else do they like to do? owning a small business is also good. so is real estate.

[BillM]

Nobody wants to work hard anymore. If we don't educate engineers and scientists we will need to buy them from someone else. It's simple logic. The average age of an Aeronautical Engineer is 56. There is an enormous crisis coming. What do you plan?

[null and void]

Tariffs today, free speech a month before the election tomorrow, guns the next day, warrentless search and seizure the day after.

While we're at it think of the money the Pentagon could save if we could only quarter troops in private housing...

You've made a distinction without a difference, IMHO...

[Cronos]

YEs, tariffs would be as bad as curtailling free speech, removing guns from honest citizens or giving fascist powers to the police.