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R&D Starts to Move Offshore - Outsourcing evolves beyond low-wage programming jobs
ComputerWorld ^ | 3/1/2004 | Patrick Thibodeau and Sumner Lemon

Posted on 03/02/2004 3:55:47 AM PST by ZeitgeistSurfer

As corporate America becomes increasingly comfortable with offshore development, it's sending substantially more sophisticated IT work overseas. Companies such as Google Inc. are turning to foreign workers not for their willingness to work for lower wages but for their technological prowess.

Google is advertising for highly skilled IT help at its recently opened research and development facility in Bangalore, India. These employees will be involved in all aspects of Google's computer engineering work: conception, research, implementation and deployment.

"Bangalore is the so-called Silicon Valley of India, and there is a large pool of talented software engineers there," said Krishna Bharat, Google's principal scientist.

R&D is core to most companies. They guard it carefully, and their brightest people work on it. But as offshoring becomes increasingly commonplace, companies are moving up the value chain, using foreign workers in ways that make them a more integral part of the corporate identity.

Silicon Valley venture capital firms are encouraging start-ups to send their product development work overseas, said Marc Hebert, a vice president at Sierra Atlantic Inc., a Fremont, Calif.-based outsourcing firm that specializes in R&D. While Google was explicit about talent rather than cost being the driver of its offshore move, most companies are equally keen to tap the lower wages, which enable them to hire more people to bring products to market faster.

Hebert said that although idea generation and funding are still coming from the U.S., more and more of the R&D work needed to actually bring a product to market is being done offshore. "That's the really interesting trend," he said.

What that means for the future of Silicon Valley and IT development in the U.S. is unclear. But while overseas firms are hiring, the IEEE-USA said last week that the 2003 U.S. jobless rate for computer scientists and systems analysts has reached an all-time high of 5.2%.

The Asia Connection

Although the number of R&D jobs that have moved to Asia doesn't yet approach the number of low-end IT jobs that have moved, such as those in programming, the gap is bound to narrow, said Bob Hayward, an Australia-based senior vice president at Gartner Inc.

"There's a certain amount of inevitability about it," Hayward said, noting that the highly skilled Asian workforce and the leading role taken by those countries in developing cutting-edge services and technologies, such as broadband Internet access and flat-panel technology, have attracted the attention of U.S. IT vendors.

Just in the past three to four years, U.S.-backed investments in Asian R&D operations have increased dramatically, Hayward said. He noted that those investments have soared while IT vendors, faced with a global slowdown in demand for their products, have held back investments in other areas.

Several of the largest U.S. IT vendors started building R&D centers in China in 1998. Intel Corp. and Microsoft Corp. have opened facilities in Beijing. Intel has 40 researchers; Microsoft has 200 Ph.D. candidate interns and 170 researchers.

Some governments provide economic incentives to attract U.S. companies to invest in R&D operations in their countries. In Taiwan, for example, foreign firms can deduct 35% of their R&D investments from the income tax owed by their profit-making operations.

Still, some IT development work can be done only in the U.S., said Richard Brown, associate vice president of marketing at Via Technologies Inc. in Taipei, Taiwan. For example, the design and development of Via's PC chip-set products is done in Taiwan, but the company's CPU and graphics-chips products are designed by teams in the U.S., reflecting the dominance of the U.S. in those product areas, he said.

'Big Picture' Question

But the trend is clear. About half of the IT R&D done by Stratex Networks Inc. takes place overseas, some at its New Zealand subsidiary, and some in India. That has included development of a network configuration tool, said B. Lee Jones, vice president of IT and CIO at the San Jose-based company.

Jones has eight data centers to run on five continents and offices across 22 time zones. Like many U.S. IT executives, he wonders about the big picture: the long-term impact on the U.S. as more work is shifted offshore. But Jones said he believes the U.S. will remain dominant in IT.

Though he has some hesitancy about moving high-level work offshore, along with a desire to keep core development in the U.S., Jones said that "as the comfort level goes up and we are able to take advantage of having comparable quality for smaller prices, people will naturally migrate there."

Lemon is the IDG News Service correspondent in Taipei.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: offshoring; randd; rd; strategicindustry; trade
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Yesterday, another article indicated that there was a 30% drop in native born applications to graduate school in computer science. Yup, no problem with free trade here.
1 posted on 03/02/2004 3:55:49 AM PST by ZeitgeistSurfer
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To: ZeitgeistSurfer
Yesterday, another article indicated that there was a 30% drop in native born applications to graduate school in computer science. Yup, no problem with free trade here.

YYYYAAAAAYYYYYY TEAM! We're becoming a second-rate technological innovator! YAAAYYYYY! Free Trade is the answer to (all of the rest of the world's) problems! America will finally be humiliated and made into a third-world country! YAAAAAYYYYYY TEAM!

Boy, that GW Bush is the best thing that ever could have happened to America, huh? Now if we can only get a few more H1-B's over here, export a little more technology, and coax a few more illegal aliens to come here, then we'll finally be there!

2 posted on 03/02/2004 4:01:10 AM PST by Lazamataz (Dangerously is the Sahara dust.)
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To: Lazamataz
We just need to retrain, Laz. Haven't you listened to anything Dane has told you? We'll all train to be DC politicians-- that's the last job to be outsourced.
3 posted on 03/02/2004 4:16:29 AM PST by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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To: Lazamataz
YYYYAAAAAYYYYYY TEAM! We're becoming a second-rate technological innovator!

After decades of second-rate education in every subject except "self-esteem" and how to use a condom properly...you expected something different to happen?

4 posted on 03/02/2004 4:20:30 AM PST by Poohbah ("Would you mind not shooting at the thermonuclear weapons?" -- Maj. Vic Deakins, USAF)
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To: ZeitgeistSurfer
We used to generate federal funds from tariffs. (Remember the Constitution?) But now we have the good ol' income tax. When's the last time you heard a relevant political debate over tariffs? Higher tariff levels would protect us from this type of hemorrhaging job loss.

The dark creeps that forged the Fed (Morgan, Rockefeller, et al) really screwed us a hundred years ago, and nobody even knows it.
5 posted on 03/02/2004 4:27:46 AM PST by ovrtaxt ( http://www.fairtax.org ** G-d may not be a Republican, but Satan is definitely a Democrat!)
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To: ZeitgeistSurfer
I was listening to Boston radio talk show host Jay Sevrin on WTKK, 96.9 FM, and he mentioned that when you have x-rays taken at a hospital or doctor's office, quite often, the results are sent digitally to India for review by specialists who then send theie prognosis to your doctor.

If this is true, could this be illegal (assuming the Indian doctors areen't licensed to practice medicine in the US)?

I know that I'll be asking questions the next time I have x-rays taken.

6 posted on 03/02/2004 4:28:09 AM PST by Living Free in NH
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After decades of second-rate education in every subject except "self-esteem" and how to use a condom properly...you expected something different to happen?

Well, you've got a point there, FRiend. But what about the rest of us who have educated ourselves? Are we all destined to live in the squalor as America devolves?

I think that was a rhetorical question.

7 posted on 03/02/2004 4:41:06 AM PST by Lazamataz (Dangerously is the Sahara dust.)
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To: Living Free in NH
Magwa read very good x-rays.
8 posted on 03/02/2004 4:41:09 AM PST by Redcoat LI ("If you're going to shoot,shoot,don't talk" Tuco BenedictoPacifico Juan Maria Ramirez)
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To: Redcoat LI
I am going to offshore your picture-posting job.

Then maybe we won't get the GD'med little box with the GD'med little red x. >:^(

9 posted on 03/02/2004 4:43:26 AM PST by Lazamataz (Dangerously is the Sahara dust.)
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To: ovrtaxt
Higher tariff levels would protect us from this type of hemorrhaging job loss.

I believe the word you're looking for is "juche."

10 posted on 03/02/2004 4:44:42 AM PST by Poohbah ("Would you mind not shooting at the thermonuclear weapons?" -- Maj. Vic Deakins, USAF)
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To: GraniteStateConservative
We just need to retrain, Laz. Haven't you listened to anything Dane has told you? We'll all train to be DC politicians-- that's the last job to be outsourced.

Naw, I prefer to listen to Texas_Dawg. He tells me we'll all be sports-team owners.

Haha.

11 posted on 03/02/2004 4:45:13 AM PST by Lazamataz (Dangerously is the Sahara dust.)
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But what about the rest of us who have educated ourselves? Are we all destined to live in the squalor as America devolves?

The Maytag boxes hold up better than the Whirlpool, but you need to pick out a good overpass early before all the good ones are taken. The ones around here for I-95 are very nicely constructed, and the climate is mild most of the year.

12 posted on 03/02/2004 4:47:59 AM PST by RogueIsland
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To: Poohbah
I believe the word you're looking for is "juche."

I couldn't find that word, until I looked in the Indian-English dictionary:

Ju·ché
n. pl. Juché or Ju·chés
  1. An Indian phrase meaning, "Thank you stupid American for lowering all your tariffs, while we keep ours up and manipulate our currency to your detriment."
  2. The act of stealing jobs from another country by artificial manipulation of trade barriers and currency values between two nations. (See: Free Traitors)

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13 posted on 03/02/2004 4:54:18 AM PST by Lazamataz (Dangerously is the Sahara dust.)
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To: Lazamataz
Wrong language--it's Korean. It's one of the central pillars of the ideology of that Pacific Rim economic giant...North Korea.
14 posted on 03/02/2004 4:59:56 AM PST by Poohbah ("Would you mind not shooting at the thermonuclear weapons?" -- Maj. Vic Deakins, USAF)
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To: ovrtaxt
The dark creeps that forged the Fed (Morgan, Rockefeller, et al) really screwed us a hundred years ago, and nobody even knows it.

Exactly.

15 posted on 03/02/2004 5:00:39 AM PST by disclaimer
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To: Poohbah
Wrong language--it's Korean.

Sometimes languages have similar words. The Indian word is the one I'm most worried about.

16 posted on 03/02/2004 5:07:35 AM PST by Lazamataz (Dangerously is the Sahara dust.)
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To: ZeitgeistSurfer; Lazamataz
It ain't just IT anymore. Wall Street has begun outsourcing financial analyst jobs to India. Wonder if those guys still think its worth a few upticks on the exchange.
17 posted on 03/02/2004 5:11:54 AM PST by Wolfie
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To: ZeitgeistSurfer
They have the R&D expertise, they have the marketing expertise, they've got the manufacturing expertise. Tell me again why they need $50 mill a year exectutives to tell them what to do?
18 posted on 03/02/2004 5:49:42 AM PST by DManA
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To: Lazamataz
But what about the rest of us who have educated ourselves?

If you're over 50, Walmart prefers friendly middle-aged greeters to surly teenagers.

19 posted on 03/02/2004 5:54:25 AM PST by Alouette (Mitul d'min kadam Shemayo malchusa v'shalim b'ammaya)
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