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This issue depends on what some of your core beliefs are.

In the issue of homosexuality, answer the following question: Do you believe homosexuality is a "choice" or is it the way someone is "hard-wired" to be.

In my opinion, I have seen way to much suffering from homosexuals to believe it's a choice. Why would someone choose a homosexual lifestyle, knowing the incredible array of problems facing them?

Here's an example, when I was in the military, I was temporarily assigned to a hospital. There was a retired serviceman who was dying, his partner of over 20 years could not be with him, as visitation was permitted to "family" members only. Since they couldn't be married, his life-partner couldn't be with him during the last few days of his life. Could you imagine that? Not being with your wife or husband in the same situation because you weren't recongnized as a family?

It just doesn't make sense. Additionally, there have been numerous anthropology studies where some animals and birds have formed homosexual relationships. How could they "choose" that?

This issue is more about money, then it is morality.

For example, If homosexuals are granted the same status as heterosexual couples, the federal and state governments would have an immediate expense increase for health care benefits, etc. The same coverage that now applies to heterosexual couples would be mandated for homosexual couples and they don't want the added expense.

I believe like prohabition and sufferage rights, sooner or later homosexuals will enjoy the same benefits as heterosexuals, so why not sooner then later?
22 posted on 03/01/2004 1:11:52 PM PST by OhhTee5
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To: OhhTee5
I think you're setting up a straw man argument here.

The fact that it isn't an innate biological function doesn't necessarily make it a conscious function. I'm not too comfortable with this whole issue of biological determinism for complex behaviors myself. A unique mixture of psychological, developmental, and maybe even biological stuff sounds far more plausible to me.

I also don't think that giving homosexuals marriage is the only way to address the type of issue that you bring up there.

Another thing you might want to consider as to why so many people are pissed about this turn of events is that the gay lobby has decided to take a collective dump on the faces of many Americans because too many of us aren't right-thinking enough. This is an important arena of public policy and they want to conduct the discussion without actually getting the public involved. More to the point, there is little if any reason as to imagine that efforts to redefine our society by going over the beliefs of the people would stop here.
26 posted on 03/01/2004 1:20:11 PM PST by Angelus Errare
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To: OhhTee5
The only problem with your theory is that it applies equally well to any other variety of perversion.

Why would anyone "choose" to be a pedophile, knowing the incredible hostility society (for now) holds towards them? If nobody would choose it voluntarily, then the desire to have sex with children must be inborn. If inborn, it is inherently wrong to punish or condemn them for their actions.

The same would apply to those who derive sexual pleasure from dominating, torturing or killing others, not to mention those who prefer sex with animals or corpses.

The theory is inherently unsound.
31 posted on 03/01/2004 1:27:08 PM PST by Restorer
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To: OhhTee5
I believe like prohabition and sufferage rights, sooner or later homosexuals will enjoy the same benefits as heterosexuals, so why not sooner then later?

If I were a betting man, I would bet good money that your prediction is correct.

I don't see how Massachusetts can be stopped, so gay marriages will become a reality on May 2004.

There is talk about a Constitutional Marriage Amendment, but it's just that, talk.

To break the filibuster on conservative judges, the US Senate only needed 60 votes, but the Republicans could not deliver.

To pass a constitutional amendment, the US Senate needs 67 votes, very unlikely in my humble opinion.

At present, I don't even see a 2/3 majority in the House for Constitutional Marriage Amendment either.

32 posted on 03/01/2004 1:28:36 PM PST by george wythe
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To: OhhTee5
"Why would someone choose a homosexual lifestyle, knowing the incredible array of problems facing them?"

Why would someone choose a lifestyle of pedophilia, knowing the incredible array of problems facing them?

Why would someone choose adultery, knowing the incredible array of problems facing them?

Why would someone choose bestiality, knowing the incredible array of problems facing them?

Why would someone choose to become a drug addict, knowing the incredible array of problems facing them?

Why would someone choose to become an alcoholic, knowing the incredible array of problems facing them?

You get the point.

33 posted on 03/01/2004 1:29:11 PM PST by MEGoody
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To: OhhTee5
It just doesn't make sense. Additionally, there have been numerous anthropology studies where some animals and birds have formed homosexual relationships. How could they "choose" that?

The issue at hand is whether marriage as a social and legal construct is based on love or on rights of succession.

If it be love, then it is about recreation, not procreation and should be redefined prior to being changed.

Personally, I don't care where anybody places his turgid member as long as it is tasteful.

45 posted on 03/01/2004 1:45:46 PM PST by Old Professer
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To: OhhTee5
You state:

In my opinion, I have seen way to much suffering from homosexuals to believe it's a choice. Why would someone choose a homosexual lifestyle, knowing the incredible array of problems facing them

This is a very tired argument, used by the homosexual activists themselves.

Just because you have sympathy for homosexuals you have known doesn't make your opinion valid.

Just check the Categorical Index of Links in post #24 and read about what experts who have studied homosexuality without pro-homosexual bias have found.

51 posted on 03/01/2004 2:15:56 PM PST by little jeremiah (...men of intemperate minds can not be free. Their passions forge their fetters.)
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To: OhhTee5
"In my opinion, I have seen way to much suffering from homosexuals to believe it's a choice. Why would someone choose a homosexual lifestyle, knowing the incredible array of problems facing them? "

That is a simplistic association.
You could just as easily state it like this: "In my opinion, I have seen way to much suffering from drug addicts to believe it's a choice. Why would someone choose a drug addict's lifestyle, knowing the incredible array of problems facing them?

People do all sorts of illogical things. Look at all the women who stay with abusive boyfriends and husbands. They do so out of choice even though there is alot of suffering involved.

65 posted on 03/01/2004 3:18:35 PM PST by webstersII
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To: OhhTee5
Why would someone choose a homosexual lifestyle, knowing the incredible array of problems facing them?

Ego's attempted answer to a pre-existing 'incredible array of problems'.

80 posted on 03/01/2004 4:02:14 PM PST by kanawa (Nine times out of ten....trepidation leads to jubilation)
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