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To: Coleus
As with any event described in antiquity, there is NO firm evidence as to EXACTLY what happened at the time.

Assuming that the Gospels really are "divinely inspired", it seems that at least TWO of the four would agree upon exactly what the last words of Jesus were. His last words would have been rather important, you would think.

Sadly, that is not the case. No two of the four "inspired" Gospels agree upon what His last words actually were.

Was the Lord really that confused when He "inspired" the New Testament?

Would you follow a "G-d" that was that confused?

This single fact alone casts serious doubt upon the historical veracity of the entire story.

Not to mention the numerous other serious discrepancies between the four Gospels.

So, from our viewpoint today, we do not know what happened in those times.

We have only oral legends, written decades after the events, written so as to appear to be "fulfillments" of prophecies made hundreds of years ago.

Odd though, that the method of execution was NEVER sanctioned in the Torah, so the idea that the Senhedrin was behind the execution can be tossed out on that single fact alone.

And, remember that the "Prince of Peace" was quoted as saying:

Matt.10
[34] "Do not think that I have come to bring peace on earth; I have not come to bring peace, but a sword.
99 posted on 02/29/2004 8:36:18 PM PST by RonHolzwarth ((Jewish viewpoint here))
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To: RonHolzwarth
>Sadly, that is not the case. No two of the four "inspired" Gospels agree upon what His last words actually were.<

Better go read them none of the four contradict each other.

>Not to mention the numerous other serious discrepancies between the four Gospels.<

Old kinard from freshman religion but it lacks scholarship.
102 posted on 02/29/2004 8:52:02 PM PST by Blessed
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To: RonHolzwarth
We have only oral legends, written decades after the events

You have a peculiar idea of how 'legends' are formed. For example, my wife and I were married for 39 years before she passed away last year, but I assure you that there are no 'legends' relating to our marriage. Why? Because too many people remember the events.

BTW, the best scholarship supports the fact that the Gospels were written down within the same range of time from the events as the time frame of our marriage. Sorry, there are no "legends" in the Gospels. Too many eye-witnesses get in the way.

103 posted on 02/29/2004 9:02:57 PM PST by winstonchurchill
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To: RonHolzwarth
You really ought to study up on textual criticism. Identical phrasing of multiple eyewitness accounts is actually strong evidence FOR fabrication. Minor variations in wording and content with the main points essentially remaining the same is strong evidence for actual occurence of the described event.
157 posted on 03/01/2004 11:13:56 AM PST by frgoff
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To: RonHolzwarth
"the method of execution was NEVER sanctioned in the Torah, so the idea that the Senhedrin was behind the execution can be tossed out on that single fact alone."

Actually, historically there are many contradictions in the New Testament as well as the Old Testament.

However, historically, the Sanhedrin are not without guilt in Jesus' execution. They served him up on a golden platter to the Romans. They were completely behind it, pushing with all of their political might.
183 posted on 03/01/2004 1:00:12 PM PST by rbmillerjr
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