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I kinda support Ms. Jespersen's view of the book.

While I don't base my every move on the Bible, I know it offers some enlightening wisdom.

But 2000 years of human editing and "spinning" give me, at least, some pause.

At the very least, Brown's book has value in instigating an interest in early Christianity

1 posted on 02/29/2004 3:33:39 AM PST by JimVT
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But 2000 years of human editing and "spinning" give me, at least, some pause.

At least.

Compare Revelations and and the Gospel of John. In my opinion, those are two very different authors; but the traditionalist view has both are the writings of Apostle John.
I'm convinced Mary was the "Beloved disciple" and the Gospel of "John" is, in fact, the Gospel of Mary Magdalene.

Whether Christ was married or betrothed or not, it wouldn't make one jot of difference in my faith.

36 posted on 02/29/2004 5:45:33 AM PST by dread78645 (Sorry Mr. Franklin, We couldn't keep it.)
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There is a lot of fascination with Gnoticism. Its always been suspected The Templars brought back non-Catholic currents of Christianity with them from the Middle East during the Crusades and the suspicion they were harboring heresy along with their enormous wealth left them open to their enemies. The French King moved on them and shut down their order in 1314. If you really want a look at this stuff read Umberto Eco's Foucault's Pendulum. People never get tired of hearing about conspiracies, historical mysteries, secret societies, and mysticism.
39 posted on 02/29/2004 5:51:24 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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Where have these people been? There's nothing new in The da Vinci Code. It's all old hat.

It's a fairly good read if you like whodunits, which I don't. Brown writes well. It moves rapidly, and the sophisticated background of Paris, London, the Louvre, etc. is fun. But it is so contrived! It gets silly, boring, and predictable, especially toward the end.

40 posted on 02/29/2004 5:52:29 AM PST by Savage Beast (Whom will the terrorists vote for? Not George W. Bush--that's for sure! ~Happy2BMe)
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IF a book the is FICTION causes people to question their beliefs about Christianity, then their beliefs wern't too stong to begin with.
Alarmed by reactions like these, defenders of traditional Christianity have launched a counteroffensive against author Dan Brown's fast-paced thriller, which is in its 48th week on The New York Times' fiction best-seller list. It has sold more than 6 million copies, is being translated into more than 40 languages and will be made into a Columbia Pictures film directed by Ron Howard
Ron Howard hasn't done anything good with the film industry since he was on Andy Griffith with the exception of Apollo 13
46 posted on 02/29/2004 6:19:17 AM PST by armyboy (Posting from Sustainer Army Airfield Balad, Iraq. All Gave Some...Some Gave All)
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Christians try to debunk "The DaVinci Code"? It's a lie from beginning to end.

Dismantling the DaVinci Code

52 posted on 02/29/2004 6:37:29 AM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: Dataman; Caleb1411; Republican Wildcat
Good grief in the morning.

IT'S A FICTIONAL NOVEL!

This never fails to numb my skull. People don't even bother to shrug at the central, clear, Technicolor, hammering truths of the Bible (God's holy sovereignty, man's guilty desperation, the one road to salvation through repentant faith in Jesus Christ, the life that comes out of this) — but let some jackass weave some yarn based on the spaces between two words in a 1743 edition of the KJV, and it's stop the presses!

Just... just... aah!

Dan
Biblical Christianity web site

55 posted on 02/29/2004 6:46:33 AM PST by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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'Nuff said!
56 posted on 02/29/2004 6:55:33 AM PST by G Larry ($10K gifts to John Thune before he announces!)
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The real response to this book is an understanding of the history of the New Testiment text and the origin of the Roman Church.

Prior to Constintine, the Romo-Byzantium empire had an official state religion which we would today call a form of paganism. The head of the religion was a Roman official, the Pontius Maximus, based at Rome. The Vestial Virgins served in the formal practices which also included a large group of priests.

As the empire expanded to the east, the official religion adopted some of the festivals and practices of the assimilated religious groups--the feast of Evergreens on December 25 during the week of renewal that begins on the winter solstice; the feast of Eashtar at the Vernal Equinox celebrating the egg and fertility.

In 325 AD, Constintine became a Christian and adopted Christianity as the state religion--the origin of the Roman Church.

The Council of Nicea was a political exercise--resulting in adoption of a number of the bureaucrats and practices of the pagen religion in exchange for agreement to the Roman Church and supremacy of the Bishop of Rome who also became the Pontinus Maximus, a title the Pope still holds.

On the other hand, whatever negatives were involved with its creation, God prospered the Roman organization in the west as the body of believers. During the period, to enhance its political control, credibility, and political power, the Roman organization concealed documents, created fictions, and did all the things modern political organization do to enhance their power. All in a period long before the printing press during which believers did not have access to their own copy of a Bible to study; most could not read; and most local churches did not have copies of the Bible either.

The truth prospered anyway by the Will of God--Jesus is Lord.

To the modern era in which we can not only study the translated Bible; but also copies or transcriptions of original Greek, Latin, and Hebrew texts.

And the historical texts confirm the Bible we venerate. Again, as someone else points out, we find earlier and earlier copies and fragments of manuscripts, all of which, without exception, confirm the text of the words we now use. The Roman Church has a copy of a very early text (40-60 AD) "sayings of Jesus Christ from unknown scribe" which appears to be handwritten quotes from an oral rendition. Some Bible scholars contend the Unknown Scribe is really the writings of Mark but other quotes that do not appear in Mark's gospel (referenced in other gospels or elsewhere) are included.

Whatever, the credibililty of the Bible as we now have it as a collection of writings in general circulation at the end of the first century is soundly attested by evidence that would be accepted in any modern courtroom as proof.

Meanwhile, on another front, the Old Testiment is developing a sounder historical record also. The Dead Sea Scrolls contain copies of every book of the old testiment, particularly including a pristine copy of Issah dating at least 260 years before Christ, and a copy of Daniel including Daniel 9:24-27 and the prophecy that the Messiah would be "cut off but not for himself" 483 years after the going forth of the commandment to rebuild Jerusalem. A prophecy that until the 1950's, the critics claimed was written after the fact.

You are welcome to believe or view the Bible anyway you like--but for the careful student of the evidence, the only conclusion available is that it is the revealed Word of God demonstrating his Son, Jesus Christ, the Messiah, who was sacrificed for our sins, who rose from the dead, alive, on the third day, and who will come again in power and glory to rule the world.

Was Jesus married? There is no evidence one way or the other. I wonder how, as the perfect man, Jesus could have been perfect and not married. But there is no evidence that he was. God does not tell us. Lots of other things God does not tell us also. But it is very difficult to imagine some important element of God's Plan not revealed to us through the Bible and concealed through documents held in secret for 2000 years. So I consign this book to the nonesense pile.

57 posted on 02/29/2004 6:56:26 AM PST by David
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Total hogwash. When a friend of mine gave me the book to read I giggled all the way through.

It's depressing that people actually fall for this stuff. The hard work of reading historical texts is just too much for most people, I suppose. They would rather be titillated and entertained.

66 posted on 03/01/2004 12:37:35 AM PST by beckett
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Why aren't the critics of the Passion raising their voices now???? THis book (and definitely Hollywood will make a movie on it soon) is hurtful, extremely, hurtful to Christians.
68 posted on 03/01/2004 6:12:40 AM PST by Cronos (W2K4!)
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Christ's celibacy. Even feminist scholars such as Karen King, a Harvard professor and leading authority on early non-biblical texts about Magdalene, have said there is no evidence Christ was married to Magdalene or to anyone else.

Jesus Christ did not practice celibacy, He practiced chastity before marriage, and His marriage is yet to come.

Christ did not marry Magdalene; He is betrothed to another: His Church.


84 posted on 03/01/2004 7:06:14 AM PST by Sabertooth (Malcontent for Bush - 2004!)
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ping
85 posted on 03/01/2004 7:10:03 AM PST by MrConfettiMan (Worry is only anxiety over something that may never happen. So why bother? /rhethorical)
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The Da Vinci Code is a spellbinding, cliffhanger of a novel. Novel. Novel. Novel. It's fiction for Heaven's sake.
92 posted on 03/01/2004 7:25:10 AM PST by JoeGar
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