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To: thinktwice
The institution of marriage is legally a state matter, and religious customs -- such as marriage restricted to male and female only -- should not prevail over individual freedom in a secular and multicultural state.

Why? Why should the State do more in civil contracts than make sure they are enforeced? If we are to say that anyone can "marry" anyone, why should the state put all the numerous restrictions and obligations on third parties that are not parties to the contract?

You are just stating a position when you state that "marraige is legally a state matter". For many, many years it was not. No marriage licenses were sold in many states before 1900. I am positing a position that marraige should not be a "state matter".

Please explain why marraige should be a "state matter" and if so, why should not the state restrict it?

22 posted on 02/29/2004 5:07:20 PM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain; thinktwice
There are traditional institutions of marriage going way back which are one man and one woman, making for an important norm in civilization. The results of men and women having sex was regulated to keep the men and women together in a strong family. If not reinforced by the teeth of the state, church authority and general disapproval probably would not have been sufficient to rein in the tendency of men to just leave their families high and dry as they go and explore other possibilities.

The reason for the state's continued involvement, i.e. the civil institution of marriage, is still the same. The state has a compelling interest in maximizing the number of children being raised with both a mother and a father who are married. The state does not have much of a compelling interest in gay couples staying together who in any case do not have as many children proportionately, and also are generally inferior parents, simply for not having both genders represented.

23 posted on 02/29/2004 5:16:23 PM PST by NutCrackerBoy
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To: marktwain
Please explain why marraige should be a "state matter"

That is a good question.

Marriage is truly a personal matter between parties that religious and civil authorities have -- over the course of time -- regulated, with consequent problems such as those presented in the gay marriage question.

I'd say that a secular state dedicated to individual freedom is a best-case power, if any power is necessary, for protection of individual rights in marriage situations.

24 posted on 02/29/2004 9:55:51 PM PST by thinktwice (The human mind is blessed with reason, and to waste that blessed mind is treason.)
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