Rocky Mountain Gun Owners Alert: Kill 1805 Immediately

Rocky Mountain Gun Owners ^ | 02/26/04 | Rocky Mountain Gun Owners

[nygoose]

I think anything above about 1,500 or so is overkill.

Do you think your comment is funny? Do you think the topic of this thread is a joke?

[JennysCool]

Just adding a touch of Friday levity. Sorry.

[RockChucker]

I'm watching Sen. Byrd on streaming video. I also have 'Dixie' playing softly in the background.

The fellow reminds me of Foghorn Leghorn!

[philetus]

If Byrd wasn't a Senator, he'd already be in a nurseing home somewhere, blowing bubbles in his apple juice.

[El Gato]

Today rights require a license and a privilage is a right.

Actually when the founders, and even others much later, used the term "privilege" they meant "right" as in the "privileges and immunities of citizens of the United States" language of the 14th amendment.

[El Gato]

Is that a ban or a study? Do you know the difference?

There seems to be a ban on manufacture and sale of AP. The study is to determine if a standard for the uniform testing of projectiles against Body Armor is feasible. It's a ban, but just what is banned, beyond the currently definition, is not clear, to me at least:

SEC. 5. ARMOR PIERCING AMMUNITION.

(a) UNLAWFUL ACTS.--Section 922(a) of title 18, United States Code, is amended by striking paragraphs (7) and (8) and inserting the following:

``(7) for any person to manufacture or import armor piercing ammunition, unless--

``(A) the manufacture of such ammunition is for the use of the United States, any department or agency of the United States, any State, or any department, agency, or political subdivision of a State;

``(B) the manufacture of such ammunition is for the purpose of exportation; or

``(C) the manufacture or importation of such ammunition is for the purpose of testing or experimentation and has been authorized by the Attorney General.

``(8) for any manufacturer or importer to sell or deliver armor piercing ammunition, unless such sale or delivery--

``(A) is for the use of the United States, any department or agency of the United States, any State, or any department, agency, or political subdivision of a State;

``(B) is for the purpose of exportation; or

``(C) is for the purpose of testing or experimentation and has been authorized by the Attorney General.''.

...

(c) STUDY AND REPORT.--

(1) STUDY.--The Attorney General shall conduct a study to determine whether a uniform standard for the uniform testing of projectiles against Body Armor is feasible.

(2) ISSUES TO BE STUDIED.--The study conducted under paragraph (1) shall include--

(A) variations in performance that are related to the length of the barrel of the handgun or centerfire rifle from which the projectile is fired; and

(B) the amount of powder used to propel the projectile.

(3) REPORT.--Not later than 2 years after the date of enactment of this Act, the Attorney General shall submit a report containing the results of the study conducted under this subsection to--

(A) the chairman and ranking member of the Judiciary Committee of the Senate; and

(B) the chairman and ranking member of the Judiciary Committee of the House of Representatives.

[Shooter 2.5]

My understanding was the Craig Frist amendment to the Bill was to create a two year study in order to buy some time before any legislation banning bullets could take place. If that's not the case, the complete Bill should be defeated.

[petro45acp]

I've actually gotten two recorded message calls from Wayne LaPierre of the NRA, asking me to call my senator. The message was pretty simple, pass the Gun Manufacturers Protection Bill without any amendments. NRAILA has also sent email messages to the effect that they have NOT struck any deals with our congresscritters regarding this legislation (or any other version of the AWB for that matter). This collusion rumor is most likely being spread by our enemies.

Call your congresscritter. Pass the Gun Manufacturers Protection Bill without any amendments or kill it 'daid.'

[ArrogantBustard]

It looks like an actual ban, though I think a 'study' isn't much better.

I agree, though: it's a complete deal breaker. Status quo is better than any new anti-gun legislation.

[CHICAGOFARMER]

Today rights require a license and a privilage is a right.

Actually when the founders, and even others much later, used the term "privilege" they meant "right" as in the "privileges and immunities of citizens of the United States" language of the 14th amendment.

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Actually my point was today you need a permit to own a firearm, or Conceal Carry. Today Civil rights was not part of the Bill of Rights.

[Shooter 2.5]

I just finished a thread on The High Road and they're not calling it a ban either. They're convinced Craig attached a two year study to the bill so no legislation could be considered. The vote for that amendment is supposed to take place on Tuesday. Looks like it's time to make some more phone calls.

[Shooter 2.5]

Here's the Senator's numbers again.

http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm

[Copernicus]

Call your congresscritter. Pass the Gun Manufacturers Protection Bill without any amendments or kill it 'daid.'

Which is pretty much what the conventional Internet wisdom seems to be: a "clean" (no amendments whatso ever)bill or no bill!

I would say the folks at the NRA-ILA have been caught with their hands in the cookie jar once again.

Best regards,

[Copernicus]

Friday levity is appreciated.

Anything over 1500 IS overkill. The entire Magna Carta fit on one piece of goat skin and was sufficient to found modern ideas of jurisprudence.

Best regards,

[Dead Corpse]

Yeah, but we are just being alarmist and reactionary. Convoluted legislation has never been misused and misinterpreted before right?

Right?(/caustic sarcasm)

[gatex]

"I just finished a thread on The High Road and they're not calling it a ban either..."

I called Senator Craig's office=---

They said Senator Craig is sponsoring legislation "to prohibit possession and sale of armor piercing ammunition."

Please clarify your position.

[GSWarrior]

They would have to be alert in order to immediately kill 1,805.

[PsyOp]

Here's a little ammo for the fight:
The Second Amendment - Commentaries

[Shooter 2.5]

Everyone should call his office and tell him that he outlawed hunting, target shooting and 90 percent of every firearm on the market today.
Larry Craig
520 HART SENATE OFFICE BUILDING WASHINGTON DC 20510
(202) 224-2752
Web Form: craig.senate.gov/webform.html

[B4Ranch]

I have been trying to get an answer to Earlier today you wrote, " Oh, Bullsh!t. The NRA is blocking those amendments." since 02/27/2004 12:23:09 AM PST and nothing so far. 12 HOURS!

Shooter 2.5 is an immature, frightened person as far as I'm concerned who cannot bear to face the truth regarding the NRA and their attempts to bring the 2nd to a quiet death.