Rocky Mountain Gun Owners Alert: Kill 1805 Immediately

Rocky Mountain Gun Owners ^ | 02/26/04 | Rocky Mountain Gun Owners

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[Shooter 2.5]

"Let's send a message that armor piercing ammunition is flat off limits," said Sen. Craig.

So how many times does he have to say this before it sinks in?

[ArrogantBustard]

"Let's send a message that armor piercing ammunition is flat off limits," said Sen. Craig. So how many times does he have to say this before it sinks in?

Before what 'sinks in'. Do you support banning armour piercing ammunition? Sen. Craig appears to support banning it.

[archy]

Wow.
A web site that makes keepandbeararms look almost sane. Remarkable.

I'm still waiting for them to post the photos of NRA Director Larry Craig keeping a smile on his friends' faces:

Fri Feb 27, 8:41 AM ET Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y. laughs after being introduced as being from Texas by Sen. Larry Craig , R-Idaho, during a press conference on foster care with actor Bruce Willis at the U.S. Capitol in Washington Wednesday, June 11, 2003. Behind her are Sen. Mary Landrieu), D-La., and Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison, R-Texas, right.

(AP Photo/Gerald Herbert)

[TigersEye]

Frist/Craig - Cop Killer bullets (a toned down, yet still anti-gun rights version of Kennedy's amendment)

One more time for the sheep in the back.

[Shooter 2.5]

Beofre this sinks in:
"Let's send a message that armor piercing ammunition is flat off limits," said Sen. Craig.

Should I repeat it a couple more times?

[Shooter 2.5]

Is that a ban or a study? Do you know the difference?

[TigersEye]

Should I repeat it a couple more times?

A little louder, there's so much bleating it almost sounds like it's coming from the bandstand.

[Blood of Tyrants]

I agree with CheezyD, there is waaayyy too much rhetoric flying around. I have read all the amendments passed so far and there isn't a deal killer in there yet. Feinswines AW amendment hasn't even been added yet, so the accuracy of this article is suspect.

[TigersEye]

On the Senate floor today, he introduced, discussed, defended and tried to justify the "Craig/Frist" amendment. This amendment, said Craig, is needed "to strengthen current armor piercing ammunition law." NRA's point-man in the U.S. Senate says that this is "what the law enforcement community needs."

"We don't want to wipe out the hunting and sporting ammunition," said Craig. The "sporting purpose" test was used before -- as justification for firearm rights infringements via the 1938 Nazi Weapons Law and later copied nearly verbatim in the U.S. Gun Control Act of 1968.

"Let's send a message that armor piercing ammunition is flat off limits," said Sen. Craig.

Thank you, Shooter 2.5, for motivating me to reread this. Now that I read it all in context again I see that Sen. Craig means that AP ammo should be off limits to the public not to legislation. The study is for just what I've been saying it's for; coming up with new ways to define "armor piercing" ammunition.

[TigersEye]

Feinswines AW amendment hasn't even been added yet, so the accuracy of this article is suspect.

The article didn't say that it had been added already so how can you use that to show inaccuracy? You're creating disinformation.

[ArrogantBustard]

Repeat it?

No. You should explain it.

Try answering my question. The answer is either "yes" or "no". I realise that politicians have trouble with such simple honesty, but you shouldn't.

[philetus]

Levin is saying now that, basically, gun manufacturers and gun dealers should be guilty until proven innocent.

[Copernicus]

So how many times does he have to say this before it sinks in?

Since you appear to have access to a complete,full and accurate copy of the text of the Craig/Frist Amendment, I would be very grateful if you would post a link to or printout of the language.

In the public arena of political debate what someone SAYS or DOES or MEANS can be and frequently are completely separate activities.

I appreciate any input that does not involve hearsay or ad homeniem argument.

Best regards,

[philetus]

Levin is saying, someone who is injured (shot), should be able to get money from gun dealers and makers ,EVEN if the dealer or maker can NOT be shown to be at fault.

[tpaine]

It's pretty obvious there is a faction here at FR that is willing to accept 'bullet bans' [and possibly AWB's] in order to prevent spurious lawsuits against gun manufacturer's..

Bizarre/diversionary reasoning once again. The fox is in the henhouse, and they say we must pass more laws on arcane legalities regarding lawsuits.

[tpaine]

Now that I read it all in context again I see that Sen. Craig means that AP ammo should be off limits to the public not to legislation.
The study is for just what I've been saying it's for; coming up with new ways to define "armor piercing" ammunition.
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Incredible that the agit-prop line-makers would have that obvious position reversed, isn't it?
Almost duplicitous, I would say..

[DugwayDuke]

Very misleading. For example:

"NRA Board Member Sen. Larry Craig has agreed to allow a slated list of gun control amendments to S.1805. These include, but are not limited to, the following unspecified gun controls:"

This implies Craig (and the NRA) have agreed to these ammendments being included in the bill. But, later on, we learn:

" allow a huge number of amendments to be debated"

Craig hasn't "agreed" to these ammendments, he only agreed to allowing debate. This is the Senate, "the worlds greatest debating society".

But, the author goes further claiming:

" many of which that board member (and US Senator) knows will pass?"

Why should we trust his judgement in predicting passage when he's already been shown distort the facts?

As others have said, "don't get your panties in a wad", yet.

[SteveH]

I can't get through to any of the primary parties involved. I think there's too much smoke to pass anything.

The NRA should call it off if it can't even hold up its own phone line, and (sheesh) can't even control its own officers.

[philetus]

Pobert Byrd is on now. Is he drunk or just retarded?