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To: Qwinn; sirchtruth
I saw posts on one of these threads talking about the Jews eyes being veiled, so they can't see the truth, followed by generally unfavorable biblical quotes by the same poster about unbelievers, referring to Jews specifically. No one contested it.

I see this posted on this thread: "However, who lead Jesus to the Roman authorities?"

I'll stop short of calling these things anti Semitism.
But they make me very very uncomfortable.

95 posted on 02/27/2004 4:56:26 AM PST by Sam Cree (Democrats are herd animals)
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To: Sam Cree
"I see this posted on this thread: 'However, who lead Jesus to the Roman authorities?'

"I'll stop short of calling these things anti Semitism. But they make me very very uncomfortable."

Matthew 27:1-2
Now when morning came, all the chief priests and the elders of the people conferred together against Jesus to put Him to death; and they bound Him, and led Him away and delivered Him to Pilate the governor.

I trust that you will also stop short of calling the Gospel anti-Semitic. Or of calling Christianity anti-Semitic as well.

160 posted on 02/27/2004 5:32:01 AM PST by jboot (Faith is not a work.)
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To: Sam Cree
Sam...But they make me very very uncomfortable.

I've been thinking about this... let me try to answer it.

I happened to be listening to an Australian speaker, who was flabbergasted by American duplicity when dealing with the Plain Indians. He remarked over and over again how the American Government broke treaty after treaty with the Indians. I squirmed in my seat. It was uncomfortable, but what he was saying was true. I had nothing to do with it... not being alive at the time... but it is a legacy of this country.

I happened to be watching the Oscars when Schindler's List won... I was watching with a diverse group of people... one of them from Germany. We were cheering the win (most of us had just arrived back from Israel)... when the German got really upset and stormed out of the room... we had upset her... she was uncomfortable with her past. No one blamed her for anything... yet, the legacy of her country is one of horrendous cruelty and mass murder against the Jews.

In the past, the Jews have been the victim of intense persecution from Catholic/Protestant alike. They have been the victim of state governments as well. They have been the scape goat of generations for the ills of the society. This is the legacy of Europe and Russia... As a Christian, the intense persecution of the Jews is my history (even though I had nothing to do with it).

If one believes the Gospel are true and historic and factual...then one believes that the a certain segment of the Priesthood arrested, tried, and convicted Jesus of the crime of blasphemy. Because they lacked the authority to kill him - penalty for blasphemy - they took him to the Romans to do it for them. It was a political move... and those same chief priests exerted political pressure on a weak-willed, position conscience Roman Procurator named Pontius Pilate.

As a Christian writer (writing plays) I have told that story over and over again. I cannot suddenly remove the Chief Priests from my play...no more than I can remove the Romans... no more than I can remove the Nazis from the Holocaust...no more than I can remove the Catholics from the Inquisition, etc. etc. etc.

I have read and listened to all the rants and fears and lies written about this movie... I understand Jewish fears. I sympathize Jewish fears. With antisemitism on the rise in Europe... I understand it.

But, as a Christian, I can't rewrite the history of what happened that day in Jerusalem. No more than I can rewrite 2000 years of history because I am uncomfortable with it. I believe that a small part of the Jewish leadership played a role in the crucifixion of Jesus. What I can do today... is not hold you or any other Jew personally responsible. No more than the Australian can hold me responsible for the treaties my government broke with the Indians...no more than I held the German responsible for the Holocaust.

189 posted on 02/27/2004 5:46:17 AM PST by carton253 (I have no genius at seeming.)
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