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China - Moon fly-by to soar by 2007 (that's 3 years away)
China Daily ^ | February 27, 2004 | uncredited member of the masses

Posted on 02/27/2004 3:01:27 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife

China inaugurated its lunar exploration programme on Wednesday by announcing its plans to send a satellite on a moon "fly-by" within three years.

A leading team with the programme held its first meeting in Beijing on Wednesday to lay out the moon probe's scientific mission and its development schedule, Zhang Tao, an official with the Commission of Science Technology and Industry for National Defence, confirmed Thursday.

Details of the meeting were not immediately available.

But the China National Space Administration said in a statement that the lunar mission is another of China's key sci-tech projects in the wake of the country's massive manned space mission.

Sun Laiyan, deputy director of the space agency, said the moon-fly by satellite will travel to the lunar planet by 2007. It will obtain three-dimensional images of the lunar surface and study its composition.

Ouyang Ziyuan, chief scientist of the lunar exploration project, said Chinese technicians and experts are developing China's first lunar exploration craft, which, weighing around two tons, is projected to orbit the moon for at least 12 months.

The lunar orbiter was named "Chang'e-I,'' an apparent reference to an ancient Chinese legend about the fairy Chang'e who flies to the moon.

In fact, the lunar fly-by mission is just part of a three-phase moon exploration scheme, according to Sun.

After sending a satellite into lunar orbit, China will launch an unmanned vehicle on the Moon by 2010, and scoop up lunar soil and rock samples for return to Earth in around 2020.

Sun described the fly-by satellite project as an important step toward China's exploration of deeper space, and the Moon will provide a good platform from which to explore outward at longer distances.

China will use its Long March III A launch vehicle to launch the satellite, Sun said.

In a related development, Wang Yongzhi, chief designer of China's manned space programme, said last week China plans to send two astronauts up on a five-to-seven-day mission in 2005. It will later build a space station.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: china; exploration; moon; nationalsecurity; space
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1 posted on 02/27/2004 3:01:28 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Not as big a deal as one might think... A Japanese space organization made up of academics and scientists (legally enjoined from sending up rockets wider than 1 meter so as not to compete with the Japanese government's NASDA which is at least as bureaucratic as our NASA) were able to do this several years ago on a shoe-string budget...
2 posted on 02/27/2004 3:08:40 AM PST by chilepepper (The map is not the territory -- Alfred Korzybski)
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To: chilepepper
The BIG stink bomb is the naysayers in our science community and politicans on the Hill, who don't want to support a lunar return.
3 posted on 02/27/2004 3:12:32 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Nah, they're right. We need to spend money at home, on our huge social programs. Its only "right"

China colonizing the moon and pointing stuff back at us means nothing.

</sarcasm>

I really don't understand why people are so incapable of seeing things in a big picture perspective.
4 posted on 02/27/2004 3:36:40 AM PST by Crazieman
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Son in 2007 they're going to do what we did when? 1965?
5 posted on 02/27/2004 3:39:27 AM PST by samtheman
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To: Crazieman
Now you understand how it must have been prior to Peal Harbor when the public was still for isolationism when all of Europe was at war. The public refused to recognize the "gathering storm".
6 posted on 02/27/2004 3:42:49 AM PST by Lawgvr1955 (What's that? Pizza with no anchovies? You've got the wrong man. I spell my name "Danger")
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To: samtheman
No they plan to go there and exploit the resouces and expand their national defense. We didn't but we have the president's directive to start.
7 posted on 02/27/2004 4:09:43 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Crazieman
I really don't understand why people are so incapable of seeing things in a big picture perspective.

They're protecting their entitlement pie piece and/or they don't want Bush to reap political points from such an inspired space program. The rest are just stupid.

8 posted on 02/27/2004 4:11:30 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Lawgvr1955
The public refused to recognize the "gathering storm".

Bump!

9 posted on 02/27/2004 4:11:57 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Crazieman
China colonizing the moon and pointing stuff back at us means nothing.

Hmmm, great concern over a missle pointing at us from the moon, that'll take days to get here. The same missle pointing at us a mere few minutes away after launch, from their colony right here on earth. Any excuse in a pinch.

SFR

10 posted on 02/27/2004 4:12:10 AM PST by SoFarRight
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To: SoFarRight
Do you see value in mining lunar resources?
11 posted on 02/27/2004 4:18:38 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: All
The inventor's burden
(Filed: 24/02/2004)


Justin Marozzi reviews Conquerors of Time by Trevor Fishlock


Few things in life are as satisfying as knocking a Jeremiah off his perch. One of the most entertaining aspects of Trevor Fishlock's beautifully written study of the technological developments which propelled and were propelled by exploration is the parade of doomsayers whose predictions about the limits to invention represent an object lesson in when to keep one's mouth shut.


Thus Reverend Dr Dionysius Lardner in 1835, dismissing the prospect of a transatlantic crossing by steamship: "As to the project announced in the newspapers of making the voyage directly from New York to Liverpool . . . they might as well talk of making a voyage to the moon."

The venerable Encyclopaedia Britannica was no more optimistic about the potential of electricity. There had been talk of using it to convey secret intelligence, it reported in 1824, but this was "not likely ever to become practically useful". Even the Admiralty, scourge of imperial Britain's foes across the oceans, could get it wrong. "There is no greater fallacy than to suppose that ships can be navigated on long voyages without masts and sails," the Navy's instruction book warned in 1862.

If ever there was a doubt about it, Conquerors of Time shows why we will always be captivated by the one eccentric visionary who makes things happen rather than the 100 sensible accountants who say they cannot. It is to this free-wheeling cast of adventurers and entrepreneurs, scientists and crooks that we owe the discoveries which have transformed our lives.

Without the maniacal drive of Trevor Williams, for example, a provincial solicitor in Wales, the Admiralty might never have hit on copper-bottoming its ships. For centuries their hulls had been ravaged by the warm-water shipworm Teredo navalis. Then along came Williams on a one-man mission to become the Copper King and the Admiralty never looked back.

Mastery of the seas, of course, was Britain's great challenge and her destiny. Much as France and other nations constituted her enemies, disease was a far greater obstacle to the imperial adventure. What use sailing around the world (even in copper-bottomed vessels) to take possession of new lands if sailors and settlers alike were wiped out before they got there by scurvy, smallpox, typhus and yellow fever?

The Navy's new recruits shuddered at tales of Admiral Hosier's Caribbean expedition of 1726, in which 4,000 of the 4,750 sailors were felled by fever. The Napoleonic wars had their fair share of death at sea, but only one in 12 was killed in combat. In India and West Africa, malaria was the great terror for the colonial class as the deadly Anopheles mosquito fed on the empire's finest. In time, science and exploration - the travelling botanist Joseph Banks spanned the divide - together provided the answers. What better example than the British botanists who combed the treacherous South American forests in the 1850s looking for cinchona bark, the vital ingredient of quinine? One by one the most fatal diseases were tamed.

One of Fishlock's greatest strengths is his writing on the sea, placing him in a fine tradition of British authors. Fact-filled and highly evocative, his prose recounts the early forays across the high seas and the abject conditions of the men who staked their lives on these pioneering crossings.

His painful researches - too vivid, perhaps for more faint-hearted readers - prove what an extraordinarily disgusting olfactory experience travel by sea was for the vast majority. With cramped decks swamped in vomit, excrement and rotting straw, heaving with unwashed, disease-ridden bodies, steerage was not a happy business.

Although Conquerors of Time takes in developments across the Atlantic (canals, railroads, Wells Fargo) and in Australia (the telegraph, exploration of the interior and the ill-fated Burke and Wills expedition) for the most part this is a splendidly British affair. Those of an unfriendly disposition towards the empire will doubtless scoff at this celebration of the science which made it possible, but the sheer romance of the story is irresistible.

Fishlock roves so widely that at times it can be difficult to keep up with him as, magpie-like, he fastens on one subject before quickly flying off to another and then another. But what the book may lose in terms of structural integrity it gains in its joyful, wild eclecticism and in the quiet elegance of the writing.

So beware all those who knock the new technologies of the modern age. There may be some undesirable consequences attendant on them, but what can resist the relentless human quest for progress? The Duke of Wellington was unmoved by railways. They would only "encourage the lower classes to move about". He got away with it lightly. What would he have made of Ryanair and Easyjet?


Justin Marozzi's 'Tamerlane: Sword of Islam, Conqueror of the World' will be published by HarperCollins in August.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/arts/main.jhtml?xml=/arts/2004/02/22/bofis22.xml&sSheet=/arts/2004/02/22/bomain.html
12 posted on 02/27/2004 4:22:38 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Do you see value in mining lunar resources?

Sorry, but that's not relevant to my post.

SFR

13 posted on 02/27/2004 4:28:42 AM PST by SoFarRight
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To: SoFarRight
Nice dodge.
14 posted on 02/27/2004 4:50:49 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Nice dodge.

My comments were not directed at you. Where is the cost benefit analysis of "mining" the moon? What's to be mined? What resources are you referring to? Try the decaf, Geez.

SFR

15 posted on 02/27/2004 5:02:49 AM PST by SoFarRight
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
We're paying for all of it. The chinese subs, the chinese nukes, the chinese missiles, the chinese space program. Thank you free traitors.. err traders.
16 posted on 02/27/2004 5:02:54 AM PST by Rightwing Conspiratr1
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To: SoFarRight
You seemed to be informed. Sorry I misunderstood.
17 posted on 02/27/2004 5:07:21 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Rightwing Conspiratr1
No use crying over spilled R&D and no good sitting back on our laurels while India, China, the EU and Russia establish bases on the Moon.
18 posted on 02/27/2004 5:08:35 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
(Full Article) http://www.asi.org/adb/02/09/he3-intro.html

The supply

Some He3 is available on Earth. It is a by-product of the maintenance of nuclear weapons, which would supply us with about 300 kg of He3 and could continue to produce about 15 kg per year. The total supply in the U.S. strategic reserves of helium is about 29 kg, and another 187 kg is mixed up with the natural gas we have stored; these sources are not renewable at any significant rate.

In their 1988 paper, Kulcinski, et al. (see ref note below), estimate a total of 1,100,000 metric tonnes of He3 have been deposited by the solar wind in the lunar regolith. Since the regolith has been stirred up by collisions with meteorites, we'll probably find He3 down to depths of several meters.

The highest concentrations are in the lunar maria; about half the He3 is deposited in the 20% of the lunar surface covered by the maria.

To extract He3 from the lunar soil, we heat the dust to about 600 degrees C.

We get most of the other volatiles out at the same time, so we'll be heating up the rocks anyway. (To get the oxgyen out, we'll turn up the furnace to about 900 deg C and do some other nasty stuff; but that's a different story.)
The Energy

That 1 million metric tonnes of He3, reacted with deuterium, would generate about 20,000 terrawatt-years of thermal energy. The units alone are awesome: a terrawatt-year is one trillion (10 to 12th power) watt-years. To put this into perspective, one 100-watt light bulb will use 100 watt-years of energy in one year.

That's about 10 times the energy we could get from mining all the fossil fuels on Earth, without the smog and acid rain. If we torched all our uranium in liquid metal fast breeder reactors, we could generate about half this much energy, and have some interesting times storing the waste.
The Value

About 25 tonnes of He3 would power the United States for 1 year at our current rate of energy consumption. To put it in perspective: that's about the weight of a fully loaded railroad box car, or a maximum Space Shuttle payload.

To assign an economic value, suppose we assume He3 would replace the fuels the United States currently buys to generate electricity. We still have all those power generating plants and distribution network, so we can't use how much we pay for electricity. As a replacement for that fuel, that 25-tonne load of He3 would worth on the order of $75 billion today, or $3 billion per tonne.
The Payoff

A guess is the best we can do. Let's suppose that by the time we're slinging tanks of He3 off the moon, the world-wide demand is 100 tonnes of the stuff a year, and people are happy to pay $3 billion per tonne. That gives us gross revenues of $300 billion a year.

To put that number in perspective: Ignoring the cost of money and taxes and whatnot, that rate of income would launch a moon shot like our reference mission every day for the next 10,000 years. (At which point, we will have used up all the helium-3 on the moon and had better start thinking about something else.)
19 posted on 02/27/2004 5:13:44 AM PST by Solamente
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