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To: ChicagoHebrew
I don't want to sound like Rosie O'Donnell (I strongly believe that "For every Jew, a 22"-- and fervently support gun rights), but you don't need an armor piercing bullet to defend your home, go hunting, or form the citizen's militia that defends against government oppression. About the only thing you need armor piercing ammunition for is killing cops.

First off, the number of cops that have been killed by "armor piercing bullets" is, I'm nearly 100% certain, Z_E_R_O! Believe me, if any have been killed by them, the numbers would have been trumpeted in the media. Secondly, the first time this nonsense went around, police agencies BEGGED the media NOT to publicize it... You see, at the time, body armor for police officers wasn't really public knowledge... Of course, the media in it's frenzy to ban ammunition, went on with the stories... And the number of officers killed went up. You see, more officers were being shot in the head, since the bad guys now knew about the body armor.

As have been stated numerous times before, armor piercing ammunition isn't really a problem. Sort of like banning the plastic guns. They don't exists, but let's ban them anyway, just in case. The problem is that if the definition of an "armor piercing bullet" is one that can go through body armor, then just about every high velocity centerfire rifle ammunition would be banned. That would include my buddie's 7mm Remington Mag rifle, which he just used to bag a deer during hunting season. It would also ban my .308 rifle. And my .223.

Unfortunately, you're a big part of the problem... You've got the same attitude as some of the "shotgun sportsmen." Why do you need to hunt at all? Then there are the shotgun hunters. "Why do you need a rifle to hunt?" Or even the rifle hunters... "Why do you need a handgun?" In my case, I used to hunt with all three. But hunting has nothing to do with the Constitutional reasons for owning guns.

"If we don't hang together, we'll hang seperately."

Mark

239 posted on 02/27/2004 11:25:06 PM PST by MarkL (The meek shall inherit the earth... But usually in plots 6' x 3' x 6' deep...)
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To: MarkL
Why do you need to hunt at all?

Don't need to, like to. At least, I did like to, before my health headed south. And I like venison, too. Good, healthy food, at a good price, if you're a decent hunter.

Then there are the shotgun hunters. "Why do you need a rifle to hunt?"

My answers to that are generally too rude for publication. :)

Or even the rifle hunters... "Why do you need a handgun?

My answer is summed up in two words: "Rural crime." I've experienced enough of it firsthand (I've had beaucoup stolen property, with zero recovery), and, the news is replete with reports of increasing serious crime, i.e., a farmer maybe two miles away steps out of his house to walk to his barn, and he's jumped by two migrants and beaten to within an inch of his life. And it seems like once a month or so, there's a BOLO for a violent scumbag who's busted out of jail, or on the lam after murdering some people after pulling a home invasion, and so forth.

So, I don't walk around outside my house without a .45 in my pocket or on my belt. (Even with a phone, it takes the police about 20-30 minutes to get here. I'm on my own until then, if something should happen.)

There are other risks, like dogs running loose, bobcats, bears, and whatever it is that sets my Rottie off at night. So far, his growls and barks have driven them off, but they've got the most spooky sound I've ever heard. First time I heard it, I was with my brother inlaw -- former Army Captain, West Point Grad, who grew up three miles away from here. We were out in the garden, behind the barn, pulling up some onions, after dark.

He'd never heard anything like it either. It was a chilling, haunting "siren-like" wailing. He turned to me and said he was glad I had that .45 in my pocket.

Maybe some "gentrified" folks had an "exotic pet" that got too big for their comfort, so they set it loose. Whatever it is, I don't want to meet it (or them) other than on my terms.

So there's my answers for your nosey friends. Now ask them what they're going to do when pretty much all their toys are rendered useless pieces of expensive metal due to the outlawing of all serious hunting ammunition.

Then, ask your non-hunting friends how they'll like having their car insurance rates go up due to the dramatic increase in car-deer collisions, after the deer population skyrockets due to effective harvest being curtailed by outlawing hunting ammunition. And, ask them how they'll like the deer encroaching on their suburban environments. And ask them how they'll feel if they, or one of their children is killed by a deer that comes crashing through the windshield at 65MPH.

So many questions, so few official answers -- and all of them wrong. Weird, isn't it.

244 posted on 02/28/2004 12:00:58 AM PST by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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