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Democrats encouraged by Senate approval of amendment requiring handgun safety locks
mLive ^ | 2/26/04 | Associated Press

Posted on 02/26/2004 2:30:06 PM PST by yonif

WASHINGTON (AP) -- A Senate agreement requiring child safety locks on U.S. handguns gave Democrats encouragement Thursday that renewing an assault weapons ban might also become part of a package to protect gun makers and sellers from gun crime lawsuits.

The GOP-controlled Senate voted 70-27 to require all handguns sold in the United States to have child safety locks, adding the measure to the legislation providing the gun industry immunity from suits when a legally sold gun is subsequently used in a crime.

Democratic Sens. Barbara Boxer of California and Herb Kohl of Wisconsin argued that requiring child safety locks on newly purchased handguns would help reduce the number of children accidentally killed by handguns in the home. Every 48 hours, a child is killed through an accidental shooting, Boxer said.

"If we were to pass this legislation and it became the law of the land, the number of children involved in the number of accidental shootings would go way down," she said.

Kohl said the bill "is not a panacea. It will not prevent every single avoidable firearm-related accident. But the fact is that all parents want to protect their children. This legislation will ensure that people purchase child-safety locks when they buy guns. Those who buy locks are more likely to use them. That much we know is certain."

The Senate in 1999 passed similar legislation but the House refused to approve the measure.

Sen. Larry Craig, R-Idaho, the sponsor of the gunmaker immunity legislation, argued against the measure, saying gun manufacturers already are working on the problem. Craig said the amendment would be an intrusion of the federal government into people's private homes.

"For the first time, the long arm of government will reach into the private place and suggest to the average American how they will store an object in that private place," he said. "I'm not arguing about the care and the emotion and the concern and the reality. Not that at all. I understand that. But I don't believe that government ought to be telling the average citizen how they store objects within their home."

Craig and other Republicans, including the Bush administration, also called on senators not to add amendments to the gunmaker immunity bill that could bog it down.

Gun advocates say firearm manufacturers make legal products and should not have to spend millions of dollars fighting off suits. A test vote earlier this week garnered 75 votes for the measure, with Democrats agreeing to vote for the measure after the GOP agreed that firearms makers and distributors would not be immune to suits involving defective products or illegal sales.

The GOP-controlled House already has passed the bill. However, Senate changes will require that House and Senate negotiators agree to a compromise version, which could take months given the strong feelings on both sides.

For example, leaders in the GOP-controlled House already have said they do not plan to approve an extension of the expiring assault weapons ban. But Senate Democrats say they are close to getting enough votes to add that measure to the gunmaker bill.

"Any amendment that would delay enactment of the bill beyond this year is unacceptable," the White House said Tuesday.

The Senate's overwhelming approval of the gun lock amendment shows that senators are not listening to that advice and could be convinced that the assault weapons ban and other Democratic legislation should be added to the package, Boxer said. "Senators are not buying the argument that the bill should be clean."

Democrats are very close to having enough support to reauthorize the assault weapons ban for 10 more years, she said. The ban expires in September.

"We believe we can get to 51," said Boxer, referring to the number of votes needed to add the measure to the gunmaker immunity bill.

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Information on the bill, S. 1805, can be found at http://thomas.loc.gov


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bang; banglist; congress; democrats; firearms; handguns; senate; trt
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To: Barnacle
Laugh, go ahead.

But that EXACT scenario was common for many month's after Kalifornia adopted the same law.

Now who is laughing?
61 posted on 02/26/2004 6:56:26 PM PST by Richard-SIA (Nuke the U.N!)
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To: jslade
I agree with one of the previous comments that almost every new handgun I've seen in the past 5 years came with a lock. I also agree with your comment and others that most people throw them in a drawer.

Why don't we organize a campaign to send all these locks to CongressCritter Boxer. Think of the delay it will cause. They have to x-ray, and cook, and all the other things they do to make sure mail is safe.

I just suggest. Others organize
62 posted on 02/26/2004 6:57:06 PM PST by satan
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To: Richard-SIA
My humor was not meant to offend. And, I hope you were not offended by it.
63 posted on 02/26/2004 7:03:19 PM PST by Barnacle (Saint Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle.)
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To: satan
I just suggest. Others organize

The devil made us do it lol

64 posted on 02/26/2004 7:08:16 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck
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To: joesnuffy
The Republican gun grabbers do it slowly as to not spook the faithfull....the Democraps
are rouge asses and have little patience...together they make a nice team....one pretending to hate the other or to not have the same ends in mind...


You're good! I'm impressed!

(Seriously!)
65 posted on 02/26/2004 7:08:52 PM PST by Atlas Sneezed (Your Friendly Freeper Patent Attorney)
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To: yonif
Kohl said the bill "is not a panacea. It will not prevent every single avoidable firearm-related accident. But the fact is that all parents want to protect their children. This legislation will ensure that people purchase child-safety locks when they buy guns. Those who buy locks are more likely to use them. That much we know is certain."

I can see that those who go out and purposefully buy a lock are are more likely to use it (I'm assuming the statement doesn't mean more likely than those who don't buy locks and is just poorly worded and not asinine). What I'm curious about is the basis of the implied conclusion that locks automatically included in the purchase of a handgun without the owners intent are more likely to be used (than one acquired in another manner I presume). Anyone know of any studies I can reference about this?

66 posted on 02/26/2004 7:11:41 PM PST by templar
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To: Barnacle
Sorry, very little humor where my rights and livelihood are concerned.
67 posted on 02/26/2004 7:21:13 PM PST by Richard-SIA (Nuke the U.N!)
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To: Richard-SIA
As Steve Martin used to say, "Well, excuuuse me!"

(They're my rights too buddy, take a pill.)
68 posted on 02/26/2004 7:45:44 PM PST by Barnacle (Saint Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle.)
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To: yonif
A couple of months ago a freeper explained how this bill could possibly erode our rights, and I started to believe him. After a few threads here I changed my mind. No way would I ever vote to support the posters on FR owning guns... your insane rants and 'Lock and Load' attitudes are very detrimental to your cause. JMO...
69 posted on 02/26/2004 8:06:40 PM PST by Krodg ("My faith frees me"...G.W. Bush........'A Charge To Keep')
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To: NavyCaptain
I think they got their peace offering. Child locks are acceptable to almost all.

Notice they locks "*on* the guns" not with *with* the gun. That means most guns sold today would no longer be able to be sold, if that is what the amendment says. <> Notice too that Senator Craig talks about storage. Does that mean there is a storage provision in the bill? Since NoOne seems to have the text of the amendment, including I'll bet, most of the Senator who voted for it, we just don't know. And by the time we do know the bill may be passed and the only hope will lie in the House conferees and the House itself.

70 posted on 02/26/2004 8:32:44 PM PST by El Gato (Federal Judges can twist the Constitution into anything.. Or so they think.)
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To: SandyInSeattle
They can make me buy a trigger lock, but they can't make me put it on once I get the gun home.

When the gun lock police break your door down at Oh Dark Thirty, be sure to remember your statement. If they want to badly enough, or they just have it in for you, say because you're a known "gun nut", they can make you, if the law so provides or can be interpreted (creativley of course) to so provide.

71 posted on 02/26/2004 8:37:38 PM PST by El Gato (Federal Judges can twist the Constitution into anything.. Or so they think.)
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To: timydnuc
I'll go for it if it will bring back our 2nd Amendment rights,

What would you think it would do that, when it represents just another infringement on those rights, albeit MAYBE a small one. It'll more likely embolden the gun grabbers.

72 posted on 02/26/2004 8:39:56 PM PST by El Gato (Federal Judges can twist the Constitution into anything.. Or so they think.)
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To: m1911
And remember, they started out by only requiring the manufacturer to provide them too.

Actually they started out with requiring the manufacturers to provide anchor points for them. I had a '62 Pontiac Tempest (don't laugh, other than the engine, I liked the little beast) that someone had added aftermarket belts. They had the airline type "lever" latches, not the push button type most OE seat belts have always had.

73 posted on 02/26/2004 8:45:56 PM PST by El Gato (Federal Judges can twist the Constitution into anything.. Or so they think.)
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To: El Gato
When the gun lock police break your door down at Oh Dark Thirty

I don't give anybody reason to break down my door.

74 posted on 02/26/2004 8:46:45 PM PST by Not A Snowbird (DEDICATED Homeland Security Employee)
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To: Krodg
No way would I ever vote to support the posters on FR owning guns.

The Constitution says the matter is not up for a vote. But then hardly anybody pays any attention to the old rag these days.

75 posted on 02/26/2004 8:51:37 PM PST by El Gato (Federal Judges can twist the Constitution into anything.. Or so they think.)
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To: tahiti
"Same analysis, same result.
Unconstitutional.
This law also violates Amendment IX"

When did constitutionality ever bother ANY of our "lawmakers". The CFR law was unconstitutional also but got up held.

Every day we see that the majority of the judges, politicians, congress, and the American people have no idea of what it all was originally about.

And it grows worse not better.


76 posted on 02/26/2004 8:52:56 PM PST by JSteff
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To: George from New England
One of the fundamental rules of gun safety is you don't touch the trigger of a gun until you're ready to shoot.

I wonder how many people will be wounded or killed simply because they tried either to install or remove a trigger lock on a gun that's cocked and loaded.

77 posted on 02/26/2004 9:16:34 PM PST by Dave Olson
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To: Richard-SIA
They are in PDF, I opened and pasted them into a single page. I have been unable to convert them into a format that I can post here

If the PDF's were created from a text based application, such as a word processing program, like Word, you can use the the text select tool to copy the text, which you can then past into a post here on FR. However if you got them as an image, or scaned them in and pasted the image into a PDF document, there is no easy way to recover the text.

Where did you get them? If they exist on the web, even an image, you can just post the URL to where you got them from. If you have access to web accessable storage, many ISPs provide some of this, you can FTP the file to that storage and post the link to that.

78 posted on 02/26/2004 9:19:42 PM PST by El Gato (Federal Judges can twist the Constitution into anything.. Or so they think.)
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To: El Gato
I got them as e-mail attachments.

Received from directly from Sen. John Ensign's staff. (R-NV)

I will be happy to forward them to anyone who is more web savvy than I am.

They expose a real problem with the amendments, they give the anti's success in getting the Consumer Product Safety Commission a role in determining gun sales!
79 posted on 02/26/2004 9:44:35 PM PST by Richard-SIA (Nuke the U.N!)
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To: El Gato
Tried to post it to my own site, FTP took several minutes.

But then I could not get a working link, VERY frustrating!

Guess it will all be visible on Thomas in the morning, but I sure wanted to post it after going to so much trouble to get them.

I want to publicly thank senator Ensign's staff gal, Lindsay Lovlien.
She not only called me back, she took the trouble to scan the documents and e-mail them to me after I am sure it was time for her to go home!

John Ensign voted AGAINST the Boxer-Kohl amendments!

I forwarded the PDF files to NRA, CCRKBA, and the web-master for this site.
80 posted on 02/26/2004 10:47:12 PM PST by Richard-SIA (Nuke the U.N!)
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