Democrats encouraged by Senate approval of amendment requiring handgun safety locks

mLive ^ | 2/26/04 | Associated Press

[Richard-SIA]

Laugh, go ahead.

But that EXACT scenario was common for many month's after Kalifornia adopted the same law.

Now who is laughing?

[satan]

I agree with one of the previous comments that almost every new handgun I've seen in the past 5 years came with a lock. I also agree with your comment and others that most people throw them in a drawer.

Why don't we organize a campaign to send all these locks to CongressCritter Boxer. Think of the delay it will cause. They have to x-ray, and cook, and all the other things they do to make sure mail is safe.

I just suggest. Others organize

[Barnacle]

My humor was not meant to offend. And, I hope you were not offended by it.

[HiTech RedNeck]

I just suggest. Others organize

The devil made us do it lol

[Atlas Sneezed]

The Republican gun grabbers do it slowly as to not spook the faithfull....the Democraps
are rouge asses and have little patience...together they make a nice team....one pretending to hate the other or to not have the same ends in mind...

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You're good! I'm impressed!

(Seriously!)

[templar]

Kohl said the bill "is not a panacea. It will not prevent every single avoidable firearm-related accident. But the fact is that all parents want to protect their children. This legislation will ensure that people purchase child-safety locks when they buy guns. Those who buy locks are more likely to use them. That much we know is certain."

I can see that those who go out and purposefully buy a lock are are more likely to use it (I'm assuming the statement doesn't mean more likely than those who don't buy locks and is just poorly worded and not asinine). What I'm curious about is the basis of the implied conclusion that locks automatically included in the purchase of a handgun without the owners intent are more likely to be used (than one acquired in another manner I presume). Anyone know of any studies I can reference about this?

[Richard-SIA]

Sorry, very little humor where my rights and livelihood are concerned.

[Barnacle]

As Steve Martin used to say, "Well, excuuuse me!"

(They're my rights too buddy, take a pill.)

[Krodg]

A couple of months ago a freeper explained how this bill could possibly erode our rights, and I started to believe him. After a few threads here I changed my mind. No way would I ever vote to support the posters on FR owning guns... your insane rants and 'Lock and Load' attitudes are very detrimental to your cause. JMO...

[El Gato]

I think they got their peace offering. Child locks are acceptable to almost all.

Notice they locks "*on* the guns" not with *with* the gun. That means most guns sold today would no longer be able to be sold, if that is what the amendment says. <> Notice too that Senator Craig talks about storage. Does that mean there is a storage provision in the bill? Since NoOne seems to have the text of the amendment, including I'll bet, most of the Senator who voted for it, we just don't know. And by the time we do know the bill may be passed and the only hope will lie in the House conferees and the House itself.

[El Gato]

They can make me buy a trigger lock, but they can't make me put it on once I get the gun home.

When the gun lock police break your door down at Oh Dark Thirty, be sure to remember your statement. If they want to badly enough, or they just have it in for you, say because you're a known "gun nut", they can make you, if the law so provides or can be interpreted (creativley of course) to so provide.

[El Gato]

I'll go for it if it will bring back our 2nd Amendment rights,

What would you think it would do that, when it represents just another infringement on those rights, albeit MAYBE a small one. It'll more likely embolden the gun grabbers.

[El Gato]

And remember, they started out by only requiring the manufacturer to provide them too.

Actually they started out with requiring the manufacturers to provide anchor points for them. I had a '62 Pontiac Tempest (don't laugh, other than the engine, I liked the little beast) that someone had added aftermarket belts. They had the airline type "lever" latches, not the push button type most OE seat belts have always had.

[Not A Snowbird]

When the gun lock police break your door down at Oh Dark Thirty

I don't give anybody reason to break down my door.

[El Gato]

No way would I ever vote to support the posters on FR owning guns.

The Constitution says the matter is not up for a vote. But then hardly anybody pays any attention to the old rag these days.

[JSteff]

"Same analysis, same result.
Unconstitutional.
This law also violates Amendment IX"

When did constitutionality ever bother ANY of our "lawmakers". The CFR law was unconstitutional also but got up held.

Every day we see that the majority of the judges, politicians, congress, and the American people have no idea of what it all was originally about.

And it grows worse not better.

[Dave Olson]

One of the fundamental rules of gun safety is you don't touch the trigger of a gun until you're ready to shoot.

I wonder how many people will be wounded or killed simply because they tried either to install or remove a trigger lock on a gun that's cocked and loaded.

[El Gato]

They are in PDF, I opened and pasted them into a single page. I have been unable to convert them into a format that I can post here

If the PDF's were created from a text based application, such as a word processing program, like Word, you can use the the text select tool to copy the text, which you can then past into a post here on FR. However if you got them as an image, or scaned them in and pasted the image into a PDF document, there is no easy way to recover the text.

Where did you get them? If they exist on the web, even an image, you can just post the URL to where you got them from. If you have access to web accessable storage, many ISPs provide some of this, you can FTP the file to that storage and post the link to that.

[Richard-SIA]

I got them as e-mail attachments.

Received from directly from Sen. John Ensign's staff. (R-NV)

I will be happy to forward them to anyone who is more web savvy than I am.

They expose a real problem with the amendments, they give the anti's success in getting the Consumer Product Safety Commission a role in determining gun sales!

[Richard-SIA]

Tried to post it to my own site, FTP took several minutes.

But then I could not get a working link, VERY frustrating!

Guess it will all be visible on Thomas in the morning, but I sure wanted to post it after going to so much trouble to get them.

I want to publicly thank senator Ensign's staff gal, Lindsay Lovlien.
She not only called me back, she took the trouble to scan the documents and e-mail them to me after I am sure it was time for her to go home!

John Ensign voted AGAINST the Boxer-Kohl amendments!

I forwarded the PDF files to NRA, CCRKBA, and the web-master for this site.