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Democrats encouraged by Senate approval of amendment requiring handgun safety locks
mLive ^ | 2/26/04 | Associated Press

Posted on 02/26/2004 2:30:06 PM PST by yonif

WASHINGTON (AP) -- A Senate agreement requiring child safety locks on U.S. handguns gave Democrats encouragement Thursday that renewing an assault weapons ban might also become part of a package to protect gun makers and sellers from gun crime lawsuits.

The GOP-controlled Senate voted 70-27 to require all handguns sold in the United States to have child safety locks, adding the measure to the legislation providing the gun industry immunity from suits when a legally sold gun is subsequently used in a crime.

Democratic Sens. Barbara Boxer of California and Herb Kohl of Wisconsin argued that requiring child safety locks on newly purchased handguns would help reduce the number of children accidentally killed by handguns in the home. Every 48 hours, a child is killed through an accidental shooting, Boxer said.

"If we were to pass this legislation and it became the law of the land, the number of children involved in the number of accidental shootings would go way down," she said.

Kohl said the bill "is not a panacea. It will not prevent every single avoidable firearm-related accident. But the fact is that all parents want to protect their children. This legislation will ensure that people purchase child-safety locks when they buy guns. Those who buy locks are more likely to use them. That much we know is certain."

The Senate in 1999 passed similar legislation but the House refused to approve the measure.

Sen. Larry Craig, R-Idaho, the sponsor of the gunmaker immunity legislation, argued against the measure, saying gun manufacturers already are working on the problem. Craig said the amendment would be an intrusion of the federal government into people's private homes.

"For the first time, the long arm of government will reach into the private place and suggest to the average American how they will store an object in that private place," he said. "I'm not arguing about the care and the emotion and the concern and the reality. Not that at all. I understand that. But I don't believe that government ought to be telling the average citizen how they store objects within their home."

Craig and other Republicans, including the Bush administration, also called on senators not to add amendments to the gunmaker immunity bill that could bog it down.

Gun advocates say firearm manufacturers make legal products and should not have to spend millions of dollars fighting off suits. A test vote earlier this week garnered 75 votes for the measure, with Democrats agreeing to vote for the measure after the GOP agreed that firearms makers and distributors would not be immune to suits involving defective products or illegal sales.

The GOP-controlled House already has passed the bill. However, Senate changes will require that House and Senate negotiators agree to a compromise version, which could take months given the strong feelings on both sides.

For example, leaders in the GOP-controlled House already have said they do not plan to approve an extension of the expiring assault weapons ban. But Senate Democrats say they are close to getting enough votes to add that measure to the gunmaker bill.

"Any amendment that would delay enactment of the bill beyond this year is unacceptable," the White House said Tuesday.

The Senate's overwhelming approval of the gun lock amendment shows that senators are not listening to that advice and could be convinced that the assault weapons ban and other Democratic legislation should be added to the package, Boxer said. "Senators are not buying the argument that the bill should be clean."

Democrats are very close to having enough support to reauthorize the assault weapons ban for 10 more years, she said. The ban expires in September.

"We believe we can get to 51," said Boxer, referring to the number of votes needed to add the measure to the gunmaker immunity bill.

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On the Net:

Information on the bill, S. 1805, can be found at http://thomas.loc.gov


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bang; banglist; congress; democrats; firearms; handguns; senate; trt
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To: azcap
brilliant! :>
21 posted on 02/26/2004 4:04:29 PM PST by KantianBurke (Principles, not blind loyalty)
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To: George from New England
You could just leave it unlocked.
22 posted on 02/26/2004 4:07:36 PM PST by Tempest (<a href="http://www.michaelmoore.com" target="miserable_failure">)
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To: George from New England
They can make me buy a trigger lock, but they can't make me put it on once I get the gun home. Worthless requirement aimed at making the touchy-feely crowd feel better.
23 posted on 02/26/2004 4:11:47 PM PST by Not A Snowbird (DEDICATED Homeland Security Employee)
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To: .38sw
"... I have several of those locks, and resent every dollar I spent on them."

They make good targets at an outdoor range.

24 posted on 02/26/2004 4:19:04 PM PST by The KG9 Kid (Semper Fi)
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To: tahiti
seatbelts
25 posted on 02/26/2004 4:20:44 PM PST by VRWC_minion
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To: azcap
The amendment only requires a lock be sold with it. This will be a boon for enterprising gun stores. Sell a trigger lock with every gun for $10 and offer the new gun owner a $5 trade in on his trigger lock towad the purchase of ammo. Your shop can sell the same lock for the rest of your life.

LOL I can just hear the salesman now, "Sir, I'd love to sell you the gun tonight, but we're waiting for one of our gun locks to come back in. Wait... Here comes one now."

26 posted on 02/26/2004 4:22:55 PM PST by Barnacle (Saint Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle.)
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To: The KG9 Kid
Practically every gun I purchased in the last five years came with a lock.

I have yet to use one.
27 posted on 02/26/2004 4:25:36 PM PST by Bluntpoint
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To: George from New England
Buy the damned thing and don't use it. We are a married couple that have grown kids (32, 23, 22). We have a town home, kicked the kids out. In the old days a child safety lock would have been nice (hiding them and telling the kids "don't you ever play with this" worked very well). I'll go for it if it will bring back our 2nd Amendment rights, and keep the John Edwards' slim sucking, bottom feeding lawyers from litigating against the firearm manufactures.
28 posted on 02/26/2004 4:37:20 PM PST by timydnuc ("Give me Liberty, or give me death"!)
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To: VRWC_minion
Same analysis, same result.

Unconstitutional.

This law also violates Amendment IX

29 posted on 02/26/2004 4:42:48 PM PST by tahiti
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To: George from New England
When the burglar breaks in - you will both race to take off your trigger locks. Whoever gets theirs off first, shoots.

I don't think this bill requires that guns be kept with trigger locks, only that they be sold with trigger locks. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

30 posted on 02/26/2004 4:45:09 PM PST by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: yonif
The GOP-controlled House already has passed the bill. However, Senate changes will require that House and Senate negotiators agree to a compromise version, which could take months given the strong feelings on both sides.

So, at conference the House will say, "Take it out", the Senate will say, "Oh, alright, since you insist", and then a "clean" bill will be passed by both chambers and signed into law by the President. Do I have this right?

31 posted on 02/26/2004 4:48:49 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: timydnuc
BUMP
32 posted on 02/26/2004 4:49:06 PM PST by spodefly (†)
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To: yonif
I don't understand why so many republicans voted for it.

So they can talk out both sides of their mouth.

33 posted on 02/26/2004 4:51:21 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: yonif
Then: Give me liberty or give me death!
Now: Take my liberty before I hurt myself.


gitmo

34 posted on 02/26/2004 4:52:55 PM PST by gitmo (Who is John Galt?)
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To: .38sw
.38sw said: "I have several of those locks, and resent every dollar I spent on them."

As do I. Maybe once certain Senators have passed on I can place these items on their graves as monuments to their stupidity and, if enough of us do it, to assure that they stay put.

35 posted on 02/26/2004 5:01:25 PM PST by William Tell
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To: Bluntpoint
Bluntpoint said: "Practically every gun I purchased in the last five years came with a lock.
I have yet to use one."

One of mine came with a "trigger lock". This device violates two of the four basic rules of gun safety:

Always assume a gun is loaded. (The label warns one not to place the lock on a loaded gun.)

Never touch the trigger unless you are ready to fire. (Its impossible not to touch the trigger in putting it on or taking it off.)

In addition, the spring loaded pins meant to ensure that "one size fits all" resulted in "one size fits none".

What a piece of liberal garbage it is.

36 posted on 02/26/2004 5:10:16 PM PST by William Tell
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To: Condor51
With the cable type locks you could swing it by the cable, achieving the same result!
37 posted on 02/26/2004 5:32:49 PM PST by skepsel
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To: yonif
It'll be DOA with an AWB extension ban in the House.
38 posted on 02/26/2004 5:37:12 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: *bang_list; drZ; LiberalBuster; Mercuria; AnnaZ; secamend; Gore_ War_ Vet; Goldi-Lox; JohnHuang2; ..
Latest update and more details on this AP story posted at this thread link:

"Senate OKs Handgun Locks Legislation (will the RINOs sell us out on the AWB, too?)"

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1086280/posts
39 posted on 02/26/2004 5:41:41 PM PST by MagnusMaximus1 (the issues of "God, guns, gays and abortion" WILL decide who wins or loses in 2004.)
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To: Slings and Arrows
I got a Taurus. I threw away the tiny little key. I don't ever want the gun locked, ever.

I can just imagine myself fumbling around in the dark, scared out of my wits because someone is breaking in, discover the dammed thing has been locked, nervous and shakey, can't find the dammed key, or can't find the tiny keyhole behind the hammer.

Maybe it's useful for gun stores for safe storage, but otherwise what a stupid feature to have on a gun.

40 posted on 02/26/2004 5:42:15 PM PST by Bob Mc
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