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The ancient Jesuits were an impressive bunch, but these days? I find it very very sad, and I'm agnostic.

Impressive? Yes but in what ways?

Ancient? Hardly. The Jesuits were originally established less than 500 years ago. Hardly "ancient".

Their actions caused them to be banned in many countries, including Catholic countries. Primarily due to their "political" actions they were banned by Pope Clement XIV in 1773. He conveniently died 3 months later. (Some claim he was poisoned?).

They were re-established by Pius VII in 1814.

They have an interesting history. Worth some research.

Ancient was not the proper term. I do realize that they've been around. I was looking for a word to connote going back beyond the last 50-60 years or so, and that's what sprung to mind for lack of a better term.

I've done a fair amount of research on Jesuits, actually. The rest of your allegations, especially the implication of poisoning, I consider the source of some really horrific anti-Catholic propaganda, and I doubt I'd be interested in continuing this conversation. I've really, really had my fill of it lately.

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