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Really? My understanding from reading here at FR, is that it was precisely the "testimony" given at the WSI that was debunked. People not soldiers, testifying falsely under the names of real soldiers and so on.

Yes, I thought the same. But the WSI atrocity witnesses itself remain untouched, so far, I now think.

The claim of WSI debunking all comes down to the historian Guenter Lewy, who claimed he either saw or got briefed with a summary of the NSI report that followed Senator Hatfield's request for an investigation of the WSI claims. That report has disappeared, so we have to take Lewy's word for it - for now.

Individuals associated with the WSI, most notably Al Hubbard (an executive in the VVAW and a WSI planner) got debunked. But not the witnesses, that I know of anyway.

All this may change as the election nears.

Correct me if I have this wrong, please.

Check out the best site for this I've seen so far - FR's own:

http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/kerry/

Lewy's the one I've read about.

Will wait to hear more. Seems the issue is being looked into a bit.

On a side note, Chris Matthews had Bob Kerrey on a guest, and after a break he played a long montage of John Kerry, including his '71 senate testimony, and the thing was like a pro-Kerry commercial, with music and such. Bob Kerrey said he had goosebumps.

Then Chris demanded of Bob Kerrey why George Bush doesn't just admit he joined the National Guard to avoid Vietnam (we all know this is a bee Chris has had in his bonnet for awhile regarding Bush). Nobody notices that it is a not a question pending before the president, except on Hardball. Anyway, Kerrey said Bush served honorably, but if I understood the end of their conversation correctly, they both agreed Bush "owes it" to the American people to tell us how wrong Vietnam was.

WHAT?!

OK, just had to rant a little about that, and since it ended up with Bush "owing" us an explanation for Vietnam for some reason, according to Matthews and Kerrey, I thought it tangentially fit here.

Wait....I'm having a stream of conciousness revelation. The reason they want Bush to admit Vietnam was a mess and a mistake, is that would ease up pressure on any anti-war John Kerry activities. OK, I get it now.