What's the real historic, unbiased story of Florida 2000?

[HankReardon]

With the national election approaching, I'd like to be better informed about what happened in Florida 2000. Right now my view is that the Florida Supreme Court in a rogue act agreed to allow the changing of election rules after the election to attempt to enable the Democrats to count as votes improperly cast ballots. The Gore campaign blatantly choose to recount in the most predominately Democrat counties where their chances of manipulation was best. For the U.S. Supreme Court not to have stepped in and overruled the Florida Supremes and stop the goings on would have been neglect of duty. Seems very obvious to me but since many people stubbornly insist the President was "selected not elected" what is the objective, non-bias history of the events of the Florida election 2000.

[HankReardon]

What's the best response to those who want to believe Bush was "awarded" the Presidency?

[snooker]

Easy one. Every recount, rigged or otherwise Bush won.

[Qwinn]

You've got it down pretty well, actually. It should be added, however, that a year later the NY Times put out an article summarizing the results of a year long study done by a conglomoration of newspaper and other media entities. Basically, they held the recount in exactly the way that Gore's lawyers asked for. Bush still won.

Don't have a link handy. Take a look for it and see if you can find it. If you can't, I'll do some digging for you.

Qwinn

[Howie66]

You have a pretty clear understanding of what happened already.

The real issue is that you are talking to some people that are never going to accept the truth, no matter how plainly it is laid out for them.

[William McKinley]

What's the best response to those who want to believe Bush was "awarded" the Presidency?

I recommend mockery. Unserious people should not be treated seriously, and if you treat their nonsense as meriting a dignified response you implicity sanctify that a reasonable person could disagree.

[ovrtaxt]

What's the best response to those who want to believe Bush was "awarded" the Presidency?

Cruel laughter, abject derision, and then kick sand in their face.

[samtheman]

I agree. This issue constantly comes up in conversation whenever there are leftists in the room.

Links, please.

References, please.

[Ragtime Cowgirl]

8 What I KNOW about election 2000 ~ have had a good response sharing this (+ 'mockery' from spin artists, a sure sign it's hitting home).

8 Let the Sunshine In [John Lott debunks DNC's Fla. election 2000 lies ~ again] ~ National Review  | 12/10/03 | John R. Lott Jr.

[Jimmy Valentine's brother]

The US Supreme Court voted 7-2 that George Bush's civil rights were being violated by the Florida State Supreme Court. The 5-4 decision by the Supreme Court was how to remedy the violation.

Of greater relevance is that if Al "The Grinch" Gore had carried either Tennessee or Arkansas he would have been elected President

[freepy smurf]

I believe (and I'm pretty sure about this) that Al Gore LOST. TIMMMBERRR!!!

[Ff--150]

A review of the taboo subjects of VOTESCAM and the Voter News Service (VNS) could enlighten...

[alloysteel]

You have summed up the salient points. Gore and his coterie would hve been in a much stronger position if they had asked for a recount of the entire state, not just the counties in which they thought they had rolled up a huge margin. The margin of the vote in those counties was never in question, but the veracity of the election clerks involved was clearly subject to review and sharp scrutiny.

And in a half dozen other states that Bush lost by narrow margins, the same kind of scrutiny may have showed up a pattern of vote fraud that was initiated and encouraged at the highest levels within the Democrat party. The Gore people knew exactly which precincts to go to when they were looking for a manufactured margin of victory.

[BillM]

The court that wrongly interfered with a constitutional election was the Democrat dominated Florida supreme court.

The cheif justice of that court wrote a landmark dissent stating that the court had no right to intervene. He was overruled by political appointees. The USSC agreed with him.

[ovrtaxt]

A review of the taboo subjects of VOTESCAM and the Voter News Service (VNS) could enlighten...

Is that a banned topic on FR or am I thinking of something else?

[Poohbah]

What's the real historic, unbiased story of Florida 2000?

The networks broke their own rule about not calling states while that state's polls were open. The panhandle, which leans Republican, is in the Central time zone. I'm sure that was a coincidence.

GOP turnout in the panhandle was sharply depressed.

After that, Bush eked out a victory.

Before midnight, Al Gore was hiring lawyers, and the Democrats were executing a contingency plan that revolved around telling gullible senior citizens in West Palm Beach that they may have unintentionally voted for Pat Buchanan. These voters were made parties to a class action lawsuit, demanding a re-vote. It's worth noting that the lawsuit had far more members in its plaintiff class than Buchanan's actual vote tally.

[BB2]

There was a statistical analysis of the Palm Beach County votes posted at http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3a12dc02503b.htm that shows the factual data proving voter fraud in Florida. This is why the Gore team asked for specific counts, of specific votes, in specific Democrat controlled areas ONLY. They knew where the fraud was being concentrated.

[HankReardon]

Of even greater relevence is that if 50 million of the voters cared about honesty and integrity they would have not voted for the VP of the most corrupt administration in American history.

[Jim Noble]

The real story is that the Constitutional process for resolving disputes of this nature (which of course were anticipated by the Founders) was discarded in favor of more rule by judges.

The escape from politics, the headlong flight by elected officials from anything that smacks of responsibility, continues and is accelerating.

Congress in 1877, after the Hayes-Tilden election, at least recognized itself as the responsible body by passing the Electoral Vote Counting Act. Congress in 2001, as the responsible (because elected) body, said-NOTHING.

Amendment XI: "...they shall make distinct lists of all persons voted for as President, and of all persons voted for as Vice-President, and of the number of votes for each, which lists they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate; — The President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted; — The person having the greatest number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed; and if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President..."

There was zero chance-ZERO CHANCE-that the Congress would have certified a Florida Supreme Court imposed Gore slate of electors.

Either Congress would have counted the Bush votes certain to have been transmitted by the Florida Legislature, OR they would have counted neither, in which case President Bush would have been promptly and Constitutionally elected by the House of Representatives.

There was no case that was justiceable by the US Supreme Court, which has no role and no right to meddle in elections, which are not an act of the government but an act of the People for which the governments at various levels provide technical assistance.

The Supreme Court's willingness to hear Bush v. Gore was a mistake. Nothing happened in Florida which would not have been corrected by the Constitutional process.

[steverino62]

I usually reply that if Bush was "selected" in 2000, then according to the 22nd Amendment he can run for reelection in 2008! Guaranteed to torque their jaws...

[gunnedah]

The response is we had better get of our rear ends and gear up for a fight. We need to get out the vote this election to keep the liberals from overthrowing our government.
This whole election is really about the U.S. Supreme Court and the Democrats know it. Everyone is overlooking how they manipulate the courts and the News Media refuse to bring to light what Manuel Miranda tried to expose and it seems as though all of Congress is ignoring the facts.
What the Democrats and Liberals are doing is manipulating this country under the guise of "Rule of Law" and that is why they want the Presidency and to fill at least two seats on the Supreme Court.