[gobucks]

"Well since, government is the organization that has done the most to destroy personal responsibility and independent thought, I would start there."

First, I would state that aetheistic biologists as a group lead the list of organizations who are most responsible.

That said, I think what you mean is that we vote into office the right people, and throw out the bums - given good guys in office, the governed will become 'better'. (PCJ, that's sounds awful lot like leftist thinking, but nevermind.)

Anyway, that presupposes a first cause: unselfish, personal responsibility acceptors who actually do that voting. However, I think we would be in agreement if we stated Congress is a very accurate reflection of just who is taking personal responsibility.

So, you're not really answering my original question, but I'll hazard I'm not being specific enough. So ....

PCJ, how did you, personally, begin to 'take' personal responsibility - why did you stop selfish living, and start unselfish living? Who 'showed' you how to do this?

PCJ, how do you 'show' your kids how to be unselfish, i.e., take personal responsibility (or, what plan would you follow for you future kids, assuming you're not a parent)?

[Paul C. Jesup]

So, you're not really answering my original question,

You asked where to start. I anwsered, so quit with this BS.

Anyway, that presupposes a first cause: unselfish, personal responsibility acceptors who actually do that voting.

Most of those types of people will NOT support a HMB, for example Judge Moore for AL.

I would state that aetheistic biologists as a group lead the list of organizations who are most responsible.

Actually aetheistic socialist/communist politicans and political groups who have replaced God with Government are most responsible. But I don't except you to actually read history.