C-Span Alert (Debate begins this morning @ 9:30am on S. 1805 & Assasult Weapons Ban Renewal)

[conservativefromGa]

Senate debate on the gun manufactures liability bill will begin at 9:30 this morning on C-Span2. Expect Feinstein to attach her Assault Weapons Ban renewal rider on it. Also McCain may attach a rider closing the so called "gun show loophole". This is it folks.

[Clean_Sweep]

It will become: all guns must have locks on them, at all times.

[RockChucker]

It's not that the guns have to be sold with a lock...

It's that the guns MUST, by force of Federal Law, be locked when stored in a home.

If you don't, you pay $2,500 fine and loose your right to keep and bare arms.

You are also now totally liable for any incident that is commited with your gun, if you fail to lock it, such as a theif who stole your gun and shoots someone. If it can be proven that your gun was not stored properly, you are fined $2,500, you loose your 2nd Ammendment rights and you are liable for the injury, damage or death caused by the 3rd party's criminal act.

[Dan from Michigan]

Hagel switched to Aye

[looscnnn]

"If this stuff passes, I'll only vote 3rd party for life."

Don't know if I would go that far, there are some GOP that are doing the right thing. They at the very least deserve our backing, but I will not vote for those who back this crap.

[Dan from Michigan]

IF that's the case(I'm waiting for bill text), this bill needs to die. I'll still wait for the bill text before I go irate.

Sununu - No

Domincini - Aye

[Dead Corpse]

Utter Bravo Sierra. They pull that, and it WILL be time to show them why the Founders ennumerated the Right to being with...

[Dead Corpse]

Utter Bravo Sierra. They pull that, and it WILL be time to show them why the Founders ennumerated the Right to begin with...

[kt56]

It's not that the guns have to be sold with a lock... It's that the guns MUST, by force of Federal Law, be locked when stored in a home. If you don't, you pay $2,500 fine and loose your right to keep and bare arms. You are also now totally liable for any incident that is commited with your gun, if you fail to lock it, such as a theif who stole your gun and shoots someone. If it can be proven that your gun was not stored properly, you are fined $2,500, you loose your 2nd Ammendment rights and you are liable for the injury, damage or death caused by the 3rd party's criminal act.

If this is the case, the Repubs that voted for this are in BIG trouble,,,BIG, BIG TROUBLE...

[Monty22]

So basically it's now a total gun ban. And this started out as a pro-gun bill?

[OXENinFLA]

http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/tocs/amendII.html


Check this site out, It's a pretty good reference.

[RockChucker]

This is a poison pill.

The bill must pass without ammendments.

The liability lawsuits will drive up the price of guns until they are not affordable for everyday folk.

This is their goal.

All that will be left to purchase will be $20,000 Italian shot guns.

[Sender]

If we've been sold out big, call me a libertarian from now on.

[Dead Corpse]

Did I not hear that correctly? I though Dominicini voted -No?

[Dan from Michigan]

So did Hagel......until they switched when they knew it passed.

[tpaine]

It's not that the guns have to be sold with a lock...
It's that the guns MUST, by force of Federal Law, be locked when stored in a home.
If you don't, you pay $2,500 fine and loose your right to keep and bare arms.
You are also now totally liable for any incident that is commited with your gun, if you fail to lock it, such as a theif who stole your gun and shoots someone. If it can be proven that your gun was not stored properly, you are fined $2,500, you loose your 2nd Ammendment rights and you are liable for the injury, damage or death caused by the 3rd party's criminal act.
522 -RC-


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Such a 'law' would break the camels back.. It would be time..

[Monty22]

If this goes through, it'll be time for another civil war. Quickly.

[Dan from Michigan]

70-27 - We got our ass kicked

[Cboldt]

I believe all handguns come with the locks now anyway..But we DON'T need a law saying so!!!!!

I agree that such a law isn't required. But, if the law parrots what is common practice anyway, and the practice is only the selling of a lock with the gun, then I don't give a hoot if it's part of this bill.

OTOH, if some of the more extreme interpretations asserted on this thread are true (guns have to have integral locks, guns must be locked up until the moment of use, etc.), then the amneded law is a sell-out, if passed.

[Dead Corpse]

Boxer Amendment as amended passed.

[RockChucker]

From what I heard during the debates, yes.

If this passes, here's the reality on the ground.

A few years will pass, then you will have the Feds use this law on politically incorrect people they need to trump up charges against (like people with 15 & 31/32" shot guns).

Next, you will have news saturation coverage of people who didn't lock their guns via Federal law and who's guns were used in accidents / murders. The people will be tried on CNN / CBS / NBC / ABC / et al. Its for the children, after all.

Next, you will see state wide volunteer gun turn-ins for people who don't understand the law and don't want to be found liable for not locking properly.

Eventually, you will have fewer gun owners with some people owning a whole bunch of locked guns.

It just past, by the way.