[Revel]

Yes they are both up. Jill has done almost nothing on her site in the last week. You are not missing anything there. I was just thinking that you might want to check your hosts file and make sure there is nothing strange in there that is keeping you from getting to these sites. These sites should not be listed in your hosts file. I am not expert on hosts files, but I do know that much.

[knak]

tried that, thanks though, I've been to microsoft pretty much all day today trying different things.... I quit!