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To: King Prout
There is a huge difference between religion as defined by organised religions and religion as defined by spirituallity.
Are you not religious, because you do not subscribe to an organised religious cult?
Or are you not religious because you do not believe in an afterlife or any individual human soul?
It may sound like I am parsing the meaning of "is", but it is really a pretty straightforward question.
Do humans have souls (an existance beyond physical matter)?
If you think we do,you are religious.And we can eternally debate the nature of our souls, and the merits of various religious cults, right and wrong, good and evil.

If you think we dont, well, I am not sure on what basis you could possibly debate the merits of anything, outside of your own immediate personal, physical gains or losses in direct competition and opposition to every other human being you come in contact with.

Count me on the side of the Christians.
I do not have to follow their belief system and/or cults to understand that they are my natural allies.
They believe in individual human souls, as do I.
They believe in human free will, good versus evil, and right versus wrong.
As do I.

I would much rather utterly destroy the "secular" power mongering individuals who do not even believe in the concept of the existance of human souls.

Happily for me, my personal spiritual beliefs do not require me to turn the other cheek!
My Christian friends may frown on my tactics, and pray for my soul's salvation.I can live with that.

What I refuse to live with is the persecution of Christians at the hands of godless secularists.














11 posted on 02/24/2004 8:34:26 PM PST by sarasmom (Vote no on all judicial retentions. Dont vote for any new judges. Impeach the rest.)
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To: sarasmom
I am a skeptical and suspicious agnostic.
I do not need to believe in souls and damnation to believe that there must be law in human society.
Considering the bashing Christians have been taking lately, at the hands of "agnostics" and "atheists" who are in truth mere anti-christians, my sympathies on almost all issues tend to lean towards the Christian POV.

On this issue, if this were merely about establishing purely legal parity, I would tepidly side with the gays.

This issue, however, is most emphatically NOT about legal parity.

It is, instead, yet another attempt, by extremists representing deviant minorities, to make the government take their side in a unconstitutional manner in a culture war, and hammer the rest of us into obedience to their whim in full disregard of OUR rights to freedom of speech, association, and protection under the law from punishment without due process.

I stand four-square against that. Now and forever.

I hope this answers you sufficiently.
12 posted on 02/24/2004 9:24:05 PM PST by King Prout (I am coming to think that the tree of liberty is presently dying of thirst.)
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