[johnb2004]

That position seems a little extreme to me. Don't you know couples who conceived and bore children in contracepting married relationships?

Yes, what does that prove? Those people who intentionally frustrate the act are violating the first commandment. They make themselves God. They had no intention of being open to life. They engage in mutual masturbation, just like homosexuals. My position is the Church's position. For too long, too many have embraced contraception and the gay movement to day is possible in large part because of the contraceptive mentality.

[old and tired]

They engage in mutual masturbation, just like homosexuals.

I assure you, if the result of a sex act results in a child, it was not mutual masturbation, just like homosexuals.

I am not denying that your position is the Church's position, but I think trying to convince an audience that includes non-Catholic people that homosexual sex equates to contracepted married sex is the equivalent of trying to convince non-Catholics to abstain from meat on Fridays in Lent.