"if Bush had ruled as a conservative and not as Karl Rove's hand puppet, the..."
Vrrroooop, Vrrooop, eeeeee-ah, eeeeee-ah - the BS detector goes off!!!
Karl Rove's hand puppet? No DNC talking points here. Nevermind that Karl is supposed to be the evil NEO CONSERVATIVE (tm) evil genious puppetmaster. Shhesh, get your spin right.
Seriously, do you even contemplate how offensive that statement is to reasonable people? We have a puppet government? That is an insult to America and to our election process. It is an insult to the intelligence of those who read & maintain this web page. By insulting the democratic process we use, you are condemning the electorate in general.
"...And I, for one, am not going to stand by and listen to you -pause- bad-mouth -pause- the United States of America! Gentlemen..."
The site owner declared that people would be banned for this reckless Bush-bashing, but it still goes on, thread after thread. You can't post that you support the President's immigration PROPOSAL (that's all it is--it's not an edict)without getting treated like a gay child molestor who flashed at the Superbowl.
I've had enough of being bashed for thinking the current administration is right about something so fundamental as border control. I wish you luck with it, but it's like trying to catch a greased pig. They won't listen and they can't distinguish between legal Hispanic citizens and illegal aliens...it's just pure racism that motivates them, much as they refuse to admit it.
They're sure going to enjoy what President Kerry does about border control, and the budget, and the war on terror, and abortion, you can just bet.
"Sounds like the idiots who call Rush & Hannity and claim "I voted for Bus but never again because (Insert current DNC talking point) so I'm going to vote for Dean/Kerry/Edwards/Any Dem"."
Sounds more like all the Freepers who post claims: "I voted for Bush but never again so I'm going to vote my conscience for a "real conservative" who shares my principles."
I agree. They just want to keep the bashing rolling.
You live in a fantasy land.
GWB has been one of the most conservative Presidents we've ever had, fwiw.
A vote for the Constitution Party is a vote for Paul Krugman and Al Qaeda.
Texasforever: All of this over your helicopter? LOL
Not at all. It's about being able to keep what I have already worked so hard, to earn and maybe even making some more, so I can afford to have nice things and be able to pass it all on to my descendants. Dubya is hampering that. A helicopter is only one of many goals that I have, so that I will keep striving for more. Goal-setting is, after all, a long accepted tool for success. It is said that you never truly get old, until you stop striving for more of everything that makes life better. I have everything that I could possibly want socially, with a wonderful family and friends. Setting lofty, though attainable goals, like a helicopter, a jet and a yacht, is just one of the ways that I drive myself to achieve in other areas and in the process, stay young, so I can enjoy the other good things in life longer. It's not about those goals, but about the underlying success ... or more properly, about the unreasonable government restraints that would limit success.
raloxk: "I dont believe for one second that 360,000 US citizens left the country last year."
I don't expect RINOs (liberals, really) to believe anything factual. After all, RINOs can't be bothered with the facts. All that matters to them, is the "R" after the name on the ballot. I'm not concluding that you are definitely a RINO.
In fact, on the off chance that I may have misjudged you and that you are not really a RINO, I will tell you that the numbers that I quoted are an official, forward-looking estimate, published by the INS and based upon data from the US Census Bureau, in a report titled, "2000 Statistical Yearbook of the Immigration and Naturalization Service". That number is the total of both US born and foreign born emigrants. The two are listed in two different places in that document and unless you read it very carefully, you might be misled into believing that only 298,000 left in 2002, which would be bad enough. But, the total actually comes out to 363,000.
I must admit that I erred slightly, in my earlier statement. You see, I ran across that data last year and the year that it referred to was 2002, not 2003. I was used to referring to it as last year. The projections for 2003 place the number around 370,000 expatriates. I should also note that I did not use the even larger numbers that have been suggested by several other credible sources, since the publication of the Census data, because although there is ample reason to believe that the number of US citizens and permanent residents who are leaving, has increased sharply since September 11, 2001, those numbers would be even more unbelievable and the 363,000 number makes my point just fine. In fact, several foreign consulates in the US have reported sharp increases in requests for applications for citizenship and permanent residence, starting shortly after the 9/11 attacks and continuing. They don't report how many applications were granted - just that requests for such applications increased sharply after 9/11 and has not subsided. Because of the 9/11 terrorist attacks, the (ANTI)Patriot Act and other recent wealth oppressive legislation, the real number of expats is probably much higher than the Census Bureau's pre-9/11 estimates. Interestingly, a significant number of those expats are foreign born immigrants, who came here, made a good deal of money and now, faced with new wealth oppressive laws, are taking their new wealth and returning to their native homes. But, whether US born or foreign born, the wealthy are leaving. They have been leaving for some time. But, instead of reversing that trend, Dubya is making it worse and they are leaving faster than ever before.
raloxk: "Now that ive read your profile, I can see you really are a peleo extremist."
I will admit freely and proudly, that my own positions are further right than most. However, I have never claimed to expect my elected representatives to be the same. In fact, I draw a line down the center. To the left, represents a net bad for the country. To the right represents a net good for the country. Sure, I would like my candidates to be further right. But, if the best electable candidate for a particular office is only one percentage point to the right of center, then he represents, however small, a net good and will get my vote, though somewhat grudgingly. But, if the best electable candidate is anywhere to the left of center, then he represents a net bad for the country and I will not be party to electing someone who will help to destroy what so many before us have labored so long and hard - many paying the ultimate price - to build up, even if he will only destroy it slower.
Rokke: "The American people will NEVER elect the "true conservative" you are looking for."
This is a true statement. But, as I pointed out to raloxk, above, what I want and what I will accept are far apart. What I want is a real across-the-board conservative. What I will accept, is anything to the right of center. Dubya doesn't come close to qualifying on either point.
Rokke: "I'm curious, which country will suit your "true conservative" lifestyle the best."
I won't go into my personal choices here, for a number of reasons. As the Census Bureau pointed out in the above mentioned report, getting accurate numbers on expatriations is extremely difficult, since most expats don't tell the US government where they are going. As an expat friend of mine, in Belize, once told me, for an expat to tell the government, whose attacks on wealth forced him out, where he is going, would be like an abused wife giving her new address to her ex. If I should be forced to leave, I will probably be too visible to worry about that. But then again, there is no use in advertising.
Suffice it to say that now, almost every country in the world makes it easier to do business internationally, than does the US. The US is one of only three countries in the world (Eritrea and Philippines are the others), who tax the offshore income of their citizens and corporations. Only the US, with England and Canada, to lesser degrees, attempts a financial anal exam of every person (foreigner or citizen) who transfers funds to or from one of their citizens or companies, often holding up critical transactions, well beyond any reasonable period. The list goes on.
Even Warren Buffet stated in an October 27, 2003 Fortune Magazine article, "Through the spring of 2002, I had lived nearly 72 years without purchasing a foreign currency. Since then Berkshire has made significant investments in-and today holds-several currencies." Sir John Templeton, founder of the Templeton Group and value guru, Jeremy Grantham, have both expressed similar sentiments recently. The move to foreign currencies is happening, whether the US government admits it or not and the same motivators are what is driving expatriation of the wealthy.
It's not about a conservative lifestyle. It's about conservative business laws. It's about relatively unrestrained capitalism. The US, which for many decades was the leader in unfettered capitalism, is now one of the worst offenders at getting in the way of capitalism. There is still lots of money to be made here, but the laws are now so restrictive that only major corporate investors, with hefty bank accounts, can afford the delays involved and as Buffet's statements show, even many of them are shifting their investments, in preparation of it getting so bad that even they might have problems, too. More and more, individual investors (the real risk takers, who build companies) are finding it increasingly difficult to do business in the US and as each one reaches his personal financial pain threshold, he takes the only legal avenue left open to him. He leaves.
To get an idea of some of the countries where expats are going, you might want to check this answer that I gave to an earlier post. It contains links to info pages on several countries that are popular with US expats.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1002390/posts#11
gatorbait: The Nation is DOOMED, we are all doomed unless Super Conservative leaps from his Pool of Golden Water to save us from our sins.
Super Conservative??? I know as well as you that a Super Conservative could never win.
Right now, I would be ecstatic to be able to vote for ANY conservative for President. As I said above, anywhere to the right of center would be acceptable. Unfortunately, Dubya doesn't qualify either as a conservative or as even one degree right of center. All Dubya's "compassionate conservatism" will give us, is that we will get Socialism slower than with the Rats and it won't hurt until it's too late. I'm sorry if it bothers you, but to me, Socialism at any rate is unacceptable.
raloxk: 4/5 of his favourite places are outside the US and his retirement dream is to live in the Caribbean.
Certainly, I would like to live in the Caribbean about 5 or 6 months out of the year. That's because I don't like winter. I hope to spend some time cruising about the world, too. But, it is my sincere hope that for all my days, when I return home, it will be to the good ol' US of A. I have never had any desire to relinquish my US citizenship, even after retirement. I want to travel a lot, but I hope to always return home to the USA. It's my home and I don't want to be driven out by power-hungry politicians. But if, at some future point in time, expatriation is the only legal option left open to me, to protect what I have earned, for myself and my descendants, then I will be forced to take it, as so many who have gone before me.
But, regardless of where I end up, I will always consider myself an American, at heart and I will take America with me, wherever I go. After all, the United States is as much an idea, as it is land and borders. More so, in fact. Wherever someone stands up for right, there is a piece of America. Wherever someone stands up for freedom and individual liberty, there is a piece of America. Wherever I go, there will be a piece of America.
I hope that I will be able to live to the end of my days, as a US citizen, although based upon the actions of the last two administrations, that hope is fast dwindling. But, even if I am forced to leave, I will always carry the United States with me. It's like the old saying, "I love my country. It's my government that I fear." But, the one thing that really bothers me most, is that, of all the people who might drive such actions, it would be a Republican President who is making it harder for patriots, with any substantial amount of money, to stay. I am convinced that most of the 363,000 people who left the US in 2002, didn't leave the US because they wanted to, but because our own government has made it so difficult for them to do business, that they had to leave. I'm hoping to see things turn around, before I find myself in a similar situation. But, since Dubya has been a major part of the reason for this shift offshore, I feel pretty certain that he will not do what it takes to reverse the damage that he and klinton have already done.
Don't bother with AA his leotards are too tight and it has cut off blood flow to his brain.
Rubbish. Utter uninformed claptrap.