Gay Marriage and Ambivalent Conservatives

Tech Central Station ^ | 02/20/2004 | Nick Schulz

[Orangedog]

It's been computed by many differnt organizations using many methods. Everything from matching up marriage licenses to divorces granted to surveys and everything in between. The 50% rate is fairly universal by almost any method used. A lot of people won't even really consider you as "grown-up" these days until you've had at least one bad marriage under your belt...but I digress. Point is, it's everywhere. There are even divorce magazines and it won't be long before someone starts a divorce channel on cable TV. Ask anyone in the business what the divorce rate is.

[Lucky Dog]

The root of the problem is you and me, the Christians who are ignorant of the Constitution, who vote into office pro sodomite Republicans, Republicans who are afraid to take a stand, and Republicans who will not impeach judges or reign in their jurisdiction.

You have correctly identified both the problem and the solution. However, what is not clear is the path you propose to a rapid implementation. Well?

[Meldrim]

"I guess I don't really care. That's my strongly staked-out position."

Which is the same position Jonah took when he realized his nation required young men to volunteer to defend it.

[little jeremiah]

You are exactly right, spot on.

And there ARE people in power who are evil. Unfortunately, it seems a lot of them are. And to probably paraphrase W.B. Yeats, the the best have lost all conviction, while the worst are full of passionate intensity.

[conservative cat]

A few years later once they get a taste of the 50% divorce rate and the Hell that goes with divorce, they will scream to reverse the policies that let them get "married." It will wreck their lives just like it has for tens of millions of straight people.

I've said that for awhile, now. I DO NOT approve of gay marriage, but... I've been through divorce hell. Let them go through it, too, every time they want to call it quits. They'll get sick of marriage pretty darn fast. Didn't the first Vermont couple split up pretty fast?

[Orangedog]

We agree on all of those points.

This reminds me of an aquantance of mine who had a toddler that kept trying to stick things other than power cords into electrical outlets. Being frustrated, and more importantly, an electrician, he disconnected one outlet from the breaker box and wired a small battery powered circuit to that outlet. It's output was about what you get from dragging your feet on the carpet and touching something conductive. Not enough to hurt, but still an attention-getter. He then let his kid stick one of his favorite objects into that outlet. The kid got a little jolt and never tried it again.

[hunter112]

I'm 28, which I suppose makes me one of those 'young conservatives.'

Well, I've got twenty years on you, so that doesn't make me a young conservative (my first Presidential vote was for Ford), but I feel the same way. I don't really think the dividing line is age, as much as its religion. If you either belong to a relatively mainstream branch of Protestantism, or are agnostic or atheist, you don't much care about this as an issue. If you're a fundamentalist, who still thinks Paul was right about women being silent, then you're willing to throw whatever you can into this battle.

If three quarters of the people in this country felt the latter way, there'd be an FMV. Since the numbers are nowhere near that, it won't happen. Getting the proposal noted near the top of this thread passed with a simple majority of both houses of Congress, and a signature from the President is the best that religious conservatives can hope for. And that's only while there are about 60% of the people in this country who are disturbed about gay marriage, about a third of them won't feel that way for too much longer.

[Salvation]

The Catechism of the Catholic Church.

Do a search for homosexuality.

2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity, tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered." They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.

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[supercat]

I wonder what the result would be if one were to ask the following questions in a survey:

1. Ideally, what is the most important thing that is created or begun when a man and woman get married?
2. Ideally, how long will that thing last?

IMHO, there is one correct answer for each question; the correct answer for #2 isn't "a lifetime". But I wonder how many people could answer those questions correctly?

[EdReform]

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